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Winnipeg Grump · #81 Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 4:57 PM**

A *crane is in place.

Winnipeg Grump · #82 Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 4:58 PM**

GreyGarden · #83 Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 5:02 PM**

Woah cool, a tower crane, a luffing jib tower crane, two telescopic cranes and a crawler crane all in one shot. I never thought I'd see that in Winnipeg.

It's cool seeing the luffing jib tower crane, I don't think I've ever seen one in Winnipeg before.

Wigglez · #84 Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 5:53 PM**

This continues to be the most confusing project... Zero action on the site for several months, yet they managed to replace their existing crane like it needed to be done ASAP.

bomberjet · #85 Posted **Apr 30, 2021, 6:29 PM**

Sweeet.

cllew · #86 Posted **May 1, 2021, 3:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by Wigglez

This continues to be the most confusing project... Zero action on the site for several months, yet they managed to replace their existing crane like it needed to be done ASAP.

I wonder if they lost the "air rights" to swing over the PCL project as of the end of April? Makes sense that PCL would want to have their site open for their crane(s).

I am also thinking the luffing jib won't weather vane into the PCL site like the tower crane it just replaced did when the winds get up. As I understand it all tower cranes go into weather vane mode when not in use as not to damage the brake system that locks the unit in place when lifts are being done.

OTA in Winnipeg · #87 Posted **May 1, 2021, 12:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by cllew

I wonder if they lost the "air rights" to swing over the PCL project as of the end of April? Makes sense that PCL would want to have their site open for their crane(s).

I am also thinking the luffing jib won't weather vane into the PCL site like the tower crane it just replaced did when the winds get up. As I understand it all tower cranes go into weather vane mode when not in use as not to damage the brake system that locks the unit in place when lifts are being done.

This makes the most sense. I also hope it means that Sutton is up and running again.

Wpg_Guy · #88 Posted **Sep 1, 2021, 6:33 PM**

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTSTIQfAJHs/

Winnipeg Grump · #89 Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 5:41 PM**

Making good progress.

prairiedog007 · #90 Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 6:05 PM**

PCL will have that topped out before 300 Main is finished,
the parking garage doesn't look like it will hold very many cars

esquire · #91 Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 6:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by prairiedog007

PCL will have that topped out before 300 Main is finished,
the parking garage doesn't look like it will hold very many cars

No one really digs parking garages deep anymore... look at Hydro, massive tower but hardly any spaces in the underground garage.

WinCitySparky · #92 Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 6:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by prairiedog007

PCL will have that topped out before 300 Main is finished,
the parking garage doesn't look like it will hold very many cars

The other two buildings beside it will be topped out before 300 Main is finished

prairiedog007 · #93 Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 6:29 PM**

Toronto still digs some 6 and 7 level under ground parkades, huge money

EndoftheBeginning · #94 Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 6:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

No one really digs parking garages deep anymore... look at Hydro, massive tower but hardly any spaces in the underground garage.

Hydrogeology is a fickle mistress, or something to that effect.

Groundwater conditions vary across the City and dealing with the upward groundwater pressures you can get under a parking structure is not easy or cheap. So most only go as deep as they feel will safely keep them above the highest groundwater level.

Lots of hydrogeologic engineering went into the Hydro parking structure and problems were still encountered. Wawanesa is close enough that those lessons would have been applied to their structure.

bomberjet · #95 Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 7:09 PM**

The parkade is very small and some of it is reserved for bikes. Not meant for general use by all the employees.

IIRC Sutton Place 2 levels that span the entire underground for the hotel portion. Then 1 level up off St. Mary, along the back, is for the long term residence thingy.

cllew · #96 Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 7:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

The parkade is very small and some of it is reserved for bikes. Not meant for general use by all the employees.

As long as the C level and senior management have their indoor parking all is good.

Only The Lonely.. · #97 Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 7:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

No one really digs parking garages deep anymore... look at Hydro, massive tower but hardly any spaces in the underground garage.

You can take this tale with a grain of salt..

But, it's an interesting factoid if true.

One hundred years ago, I worked at Smith Carter as they were building the downtown Hydro office (2005 - 2010).

When I asked why there wasn't more underground parking at the downtown Hydro building when older towers a block away (Lakeview Square) have ten levels of underground parking, I was told it had to do with the changing hydrology of Winnipeg's underground.

Apparently, back in the heyday of slaughterhouses (Swifts/Canada Packers and Burns circa 1970s), those plants sucked all the water out of our underground aquifers for meat processing.

As those plants closed, the water table downtown crept back up again.

Thus, new downtown towers are unlikely to have underground parking.

You have to remember that a 150 years ago Winnipeg's inner city was riddled with creeks.. Colony Creek, Ross Creek, Omands Creek (still exists).

Many of those creeks were filled in as the city developed, but the water is still there underground.

**On a side note**.. How cool would it be if there were still a network of creeks running through our downtown sandwiched by bars and restaurants?

I think of the river district in Austin, TX.

cllew · #98 Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 7:47 PM**

That report on ground water levels is somewhere on the internet if I am not mistaken as I have seen it. I think it also said that Shell used a lot of water when the St Boniface refinery was in use. Maybe an article on enggeomb.ca?

Also I think on the geo tech reports for the CN Waverly underpass there was mention that there were apartments in the Grant Park area that used ground water for summer cooling and dumped the water into the Winnipeg sewer systems. Apparently the city has increased the charges for that to they converted to closed loop geothermal or dump the water back into the aquifer.

Either way that has also contributed to the slow rise of the ground water levels.

buzzg · #99 Posted **Sep 3, 2021, 3:41 AM**

Austin is an incredible city, one of my faves. Emulating it would great.

wags_in_the_peg · #**100** Posted **Sep 3, 2021, 1:12 PM**

same engineering reason why Norwood outdoor pool was demo'd and no rebuilt in the flood bowl. ground water was cracking the base