City Murder Rates - Page 158

Acajack · #**3141** Posted **Oct 29, 2021, 9:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Centropolis

love when people are like “we need to kill all criminals” and i imagine they look like this.

media3.giphy.com

I think the average person's answer to that would be: better them than us.

Yuri · #**3142** Posted **Oct 29, 2021, 9:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chisouthside

No thanks, we already have an excessive force police problem in the US, we dont need to import the high numbers of extra judicial killings committed by Brazilian police.

I find very rich you bashing foreign countries over this issue, when you live in the US...

US police kills about 1,000 people/year. Brazilian police killed 6,000 (2020) up from 2,500 (2013).

Giving the US number of homicides is around 16,000 and Brazil is at 50,000, American police is as trigger-happy as the Brazilian. It's only recently Brazilian cops started to kill proportionally more.

Tom In Chicago · #**3143** Posted **Oct 29, 2021, 9:56 PM**

My neighborhood saw a 220% rise in shootings. . . it's the economic hub of the entire region and one where all the tourists visit. . . I think some of the media criticism is definitely warranted. . .

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Originally Posted by Chicago Sun Times

Downtown shootings up 220%, biggest spike in city: ‘People are fed up’

The economic and cultural hub has seen the most shootings in years in 2021. The rise mirrors a citywide violent crime wave and threatens downtown’s recovery.

[more]

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Centropolis · #**3144** Posted **Oct 30, 2021, 12:35 PM**

“ST. LOUIS, Mo. – Gunshots rang out after a joint press conference by the mayors of St. Louis and Kansas City Friday.

They were speaking to reporters after a roundtable discussion about public safety with other community leaders and the Department of Justice in Dutchtown. The gunshots disrupted the press conference, but not Mayor Tishuara Jones.

Jones kept speaking to reporters after the shots rang out.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox4kc....reporters/amp/

BG918 · #**3145** Posted **Oct 31, 2021, 1:36 AM**

I saw where Austin just had its 75th homicide which is an all-time high. In 2020 the city had 48 homicides. Austin people what is causing such a huge spike, drug and/or gang war?

I know where I live in Denver/Aurora there is also a huge spike in violence largely due to drugs/gangs partly because gentrification has pushed these people into smaller areas. Denver is at 79 homicides and adjacent Aurora is at 35. Maybe a similar situation in Austin?

JuelzJones · #**3146** Posted **Oct 31, 2021, 3:37 PM**

Toronto is at 74

Acajack · #**3147** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 5:15 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Centropolis

“ST. LOUIS, Mo. – Gunshots rang out after a joint press conference by the mayors of St. Louis and Kansas City Friday.

They were speaking to reporters after a roundtable discussion about public safety with other community leaders and the Department of Justice in Dutchtown. The gunshots disrupted the press conference, but not Mayor Tishuara Jones.

Jones kept speaking to reporters after the shots rang out.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fox4kc....reporters/amp/

St. Louis has a good-looking mayor!

KevinFromTexas · #**3148** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 5:59 AM**

Causes metrowide
Shooting - 74
Stabbing - 7
Strangled - 0
Suffocation - 0
Throwing (of child) - 0
Beating - 0
Vehicular homicide - 0
Blunt force trauma - 1
Sharp force trauma - 0
Unlisted cause - 6
Domestic terrorism - 0

Austin totals
Downtown - 6
Central Austin - 2
East Austin - 12
North Austin - 15
Northeast Austin - 8
Northwest Austin - 7
South Austin - 8
Southeast Austin - 11
Southwest Austin - 0
West Austin - 1

Victims
Male - 62
Female - 17
Unlisted - 9

| Jan 7 | Feb 10 | Mar 11 | Apr 8 | May 9 | Jun 9 | Jul 7 | Aug 4 | Sep 14 | Oct 10 | Nov 0 | Dec 0 |

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| Mon 16 | Tue 11 | Wed 14 | Thur 10 | Fri 7 | Sat 12 | Sun 18 |

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Murder cases

Code:

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspect-charged-with-capital-murder-after-man-was-found-dead-in-round-rock/?utm_campaign=alert_bar&utm_source=side_bullets - Round Rock shooting - 1/9

1 dead - https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/one-person-dead-after-shooting-in-northeast-austin - Austin shooting - 1/11

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-5000-brighton-road - Austin shooting - 1/18

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/01/22/hays-county-sheriffs-office-investigating-apparent-shooting/6681601002/ - Buda shooting - 1/21

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-killed-after-shootout-between-two-groups-at-north-austin-complex-police-say/ - Austin shooting - 1/23

2 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-1912-w-35th-street - Austin shooting - 1/26

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/one-person-dead-after-shooting-in-north-austin/?fbclid=IwAR2QlQlGL89M9QlIMXNDSAU9spvMEhu31Cpqo8Jsl-tQaPXWOlrPLuNNY4o - Austin shooting - 1/29

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/police-investigating-suspicious-death-in-east-austin-2/ - Austin shooting - 2/2

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/police-investigating-suspicious-death-in-southeast-austin-3/ - Austin obvious trauma - 2/3

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspicious-death-being-investigated-in-central-austin/ - Austin shooting - 2/6

2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/elderly-couple-found-dead-in-suspected-murder-suicide-at-cedar-park-home/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR2d0OJqQ9Lwib8K-06sGBipshijYzvjNIcP2vCkMkef1W-GjrUamnIZ9ws - Cedar Park murder/suicide - 2/9

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/19-year-old-man-stabbed-and-killed-northeast-austin-fight-police-say/ - Austin stabbing - 2/16

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-faces-murder-charge-after-wife-found-dead-at-south-austin-hotel-room/ - Austin unlisted cause - 2/16

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/toddler-dies-during-february-winter-storm-austin-police-investigating-as-homicide/ - Austin unlisted cause - 2/18

2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/travis-county/travis-county-deputies-investigate-possible-murder-suicide-involving-two-male-relatives/ - Pflugervile shooting - 2/19

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/story/news/crime/2021/06/25/hutto-teacher-julie-hall-disappearance-husband-travis-hall-charged-with-murder/5352450001/ - Hutto blunt force trauma - 2/19 

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/one-man-dead-after-shooting-at-north-austin-apartment-complex/ - Austin shooting - 2/28

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/police-investigating-deadly-shooting-in-downtown-austin-early-sunday-morning/ - Austin shooting - 3/14

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-arrested-on-murder-charge-after-san-marcos-woman-found-dead-on-backyard-patio/ - San Marcos body found - 3/15

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/homicide-investigation-underway-after-death-thursday-morning-in-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 3/18

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/one-person-dies-in-southeast-austin-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 3/21

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/police-reporting-to-scene-of-shooting-incident-in-northwest-austin-residents-should-avoid-the-area/ - Austin shooting - 3/22

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-suspicious-death-in-south-austin-neighborhood/ - Austin shooting - 3/25

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-6600-block-bradley-dr - Austin shooting - 3/27

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-taken-to-a-hospital-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-shooting-at-east-austin-home/ - Austin shooting - 3/28

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-11100-block-n-ih-35-svrd - Austin shooting - 3/28 

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-homicide-in-nw-austin/ - Austin shooting - 3/31

1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/leander-texas-police-knife-suspect/269-2018951c-a1c4-4d00-b9b4-c543b4ff4e3a - Leander stabbing - 3/31

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-deadly-shooting-in-se-austin/ - Austin shooting - 4/6

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/austin-police-investigating-homicide-in-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 4/13

3 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/active-shooter-reported-at-arboretum-in-northwest-austin-3-reportedly-injured/ - Austin shooting  - 4/18

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/poli...stin-homicide/ - Austin shooting - 4/25

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...-south-austin/ - Austin shooting - 4/26

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/poli...in-apartments/ - Austin shooting - 4/29

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-...dziJCzKgAY6OeM - Austin shooting - 5/2

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/16-y...n-bell-county/ - Austin shooting - 5/5

1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/cr...a-a8fd7e9920c3 - Lockhart shooting - 5/7

2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-...ldwell-county/ - Martindale shooting - 5/10

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...g-for-suspect/ - Austin shooting - 5/15

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/15-y...wntown-austin/ - Austin shooting - 5/20

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homi...us-highway-290 - Austin shooting - 5/23

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/story/news...ty/5286265001/ - Pflugerville stabbing - 5/31

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/top-stories/tcs...-south-austin/ - Pflugerville shooting - 6/1

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...theast-austin/ - Austin shooting - 6/11

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...mass-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 6/12

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 6/12

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-...n-parking-lot/ - Austin shooting - 6/17

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/1-de...stin-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 6/20

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...n-east-austin/ - Austin shooting - 6/23

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...y-expo-center/ - Austin shooting - 6/24

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...ied-by-police/ - Austin stabbing - 6/27

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/1-de...in-cedar-park/ - Cedar Park shooting - 7/7

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/man-dead-t...thwest-austin/ - Austin shooting - 7/12

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/1-pe...ar-6th-street/ - Austin shooting - 7/17

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/homi...tion-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 7/17

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/ceda...tment-complex/ - Cedar Park stabbing - 7/20

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homi...-frontage-road - Austin stabbing - 7/23

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/will...ning-homicide/ - Round Rock shooting - 7/26

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/pers...unday-morning/ - Austin shooting - 8/1

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...austin-murder/ - Austin shooting - 8/2

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/33-y...tin-apartment/ - Austin shooting - 8/11

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-...-south-austin/ - Austin shooting - 8/27

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...rly-wednesday/ - Austin shooting - 9/1

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...rly-wednesday/ - Austin shooting - 9/1

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/82-y...shot-to-death/ - Tilmon shooting - 9/1

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...n-east-austin/ - Austin shooting - 9/3

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/homi...-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 9/4

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...orth-austin-2/ - Austin shooting - 9/9

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/poli...unday-morning/ - Austin shooting - 9/12

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/poli...unday-morning/ - Austin stabbing - 9/12

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/1-person-w...-north-austin/ - Austin body found with trauma - 9/14

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/poli...n-east-austin/ - Austin shooting - 9/16

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...stin-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 9/20

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/will...g-as-homicide/ - Round Rock shooting - 9/25

1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/cr...4-3d98ed2d5e24 - Austin shooting - 9/27

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/16-y...omplex-monday/ - Austin shooting - 9/27

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/poli...orth-austin-2/ - Austin shooting - 10/3

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...theast-austin/ - Austin shooting - 10/6

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/cald...rtindale-home/ - Martindale shooting - 10/11 

2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...ting-homicide/ - Austin shooting - 10/19

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/trav...travis-county/ - Travis County shooting - 10/21

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/poli...t-austin-home/ - Austin shooting - 10/23

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...thwest-austin/  - Austin shooting - 10/27

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/aust...-than-8-hours/ - Austin shooting - 10/27

1 dead - https://www.fox7austin.com/news/apd-...t-parking-spot - Austin shooting - 10/31

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Pending cases

Code:

1 dead - https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/apd-investigating-deceased-person-in-hotel-room-in-north-central-austin - 2/14 

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/travis-county/18-year-old-found-dead-on-recycling-center-conveyor-belt-in-travis-county/ - 3/24

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/28-year-old-dies-morning-after-fight-at-east-austin-strip-club-suspect-arrested/ - Austin beating - 4/7

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/adult-pronounced-dead-after-being-found-in-ravine-by-bystanders-off-us-290/ - Austin body found - 5/20

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/man-dies-after-reportedly-being-run-over-by-car-in-north-austin-parking-lot/ - Austin vehicular homicide - 6/25

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspicious-death-in-northwest-austin-under-investigation/ - Austin body found - 8/11

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-officer-fires-weapon-during-gun-battle-in-downtown-austin-teen-in-critical-condition-after-shootout/ - Austin shooting - 10/9

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/hays...tJjOPmPcJyff54 - Wimberley body found  - 10/10

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/hays...cvs-pharmacy/- Kyle body found - 10/13

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Austin area population

City: 961,855 2020 Census - source: US Census Bureau
Travis County: 1,290,188 2020 Census - source: US Census Bureau
Metro: 2,283,371 2020 Census - source: US Census Bureau

Area - City: 297 square miles (2010) - US Census Bureau
Area - Metro: 4,285 square miles - Wikipedia
Area - Travis County: 1,023 square miles - Wikipedia

Chisouthside · #**3149** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 1:44 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuri

I find very rich you bashing foreign countries over this issue, when you live in the US...

US police kills about 1,000 people/year. Brazilian police killed 6,000 (2020) up from 2,500 (2013).

Giving the US number of homicides is around 16,000 and Brazil is at 50,000, American police is as trigger-happy as the Brazilian. It's only recently Brazilian cops started to kill proportionally more.

If you go back and read my comment you'll see that I mention that we already have an excessive force problem with police in the US and we have a murder problem here in Chicago. Importing the Brazilian way of further militarizing the police, BOPE style raids into poor neighborhoods and the high number of extrajudicial killings, Sao Paulo for example in 2020 police killed 514 civilians. While many of them were criminals we really dont need that style of policing in the US or Chicago. Chicago already has one of the highest civilians per cop ratio in the US and its barely making a dent with murders here.

Yuri · #**3150** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 2:05 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chisouthside

If you go back and read my comment you'll see that I mention that we already have an excessive force problem with police in the US and we have a murder problem here in Chicago. Importing the Brazilian way of further militarizing the police, BOPE style raids into poor neighborhoods and the high number of extrajudicial killings, Sao Paulo for example in 2020 police killed 514 civilians. While many of them were criminals we really dont need that style of policing in the US or Chicago. Chicago already has one of the highest civilians per cop ratio in the US and its barely making a dent with murders here.

No one suggested to bring the "Brazilian model" (as if there was such a thing) to the US. There are 27 state polices, each one with their own degree of success or lack of it. Crime in Brazil rises in some states, while falls in others. There's never been a national pattern. I just mentioned São Paulo state, due PR purposes, started to claim they were intending to emulate "NYC model" way back then.

Homicides rates in São Paulo has fallen steadily over the past two decades, due massive investments on police force, material and human. The recent rise of deaths caused by police (mostly in confronts with criminals) has nothing to do with the improvement of overall safety in this state. It's a more vague political notion, with the police force feeling psychologic empowered by Bolsonaro and his far-right discourse. The military police, however, is directly subordinated to state governors and each one push their own agenda.

badrunner · #**3151** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 2:48 PM**

Yeah no thanks. You can keep your paramilitary death squads down there.

Yuri · #**3152** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 2:50 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by badrunner

Yeah no thanks. You can keep your paramilitary death squads down there.

And who's offering them to you?

Given your recurrent classism and xenophobia often displayed here in SSP, you might actually like them though.

badrunner · #**3153** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 3:08 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chisouthside

If you go back and read my comment you'll see that I mention that we already have an excessive force problem with police in the US and we have a murder problem here in Chicago. Importing the Brazilian way of further militarizing the police, BOPE style raids into poor neighborhoods and the high number of extrajudicial killings, Sao Paulo for example in 2020 police killed 514 civilians. While many of them were criminals we really dont need that style of policing in the US or Chicago. Chicago already has one of the highest civilians per cop ratio in the US and its barely making a dent with murders here.

Yeah hopefully people don't conflate state violence against an individual with individual violence against an individual. It is a crime of much greater magnitude, both legally and morally. I guess some people can justify it as an abstraction or a "vague political notion" because it's "over there" and "those people." But we all know that style of policing would never work here... because we have different values.

Acajack · #**3154** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 3:45 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by badrunner

Yeah hopefully people don't conflate state violence against an individual with individual violence against an individual. It is a crime of much greater magnitude, both legally and morally..

On this point strictly you are correct, but as a social problem violence between individuals is on a whole other scale and way more serious in terms of how many lives it affects.

badrunner · #**3155** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 4:18 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acajack

On this point strictly you are correct, but as a social problem violence between individuals is on a whole other scale and way more serious in terms of how many lives it affects.

In Brazil though the scale of the problem appears to be much much worse. If I'm reading the stat correctly Sao Paulo police killed 514 civilians in 2020, in a city that averages about 600 murders a year? First of all, that should immediately make you question the accuracy of the official figures... it's probably total BS and nobody should believe it. And can you imagine such a level of police violence in the US? It's very dishonest and disingenuous for Yuri to boast about San Paulo's murder rate vis-a-vis Chicago's without also mentioning the high numbers of police killings. I mean, we could dramatically lower crime rates in this country too if we didn't care about civil rights, or human rights in general. But like I said, different values.

And yes, Yuri actually did suggest that the US should adopt Brazil-style policing: "If worked down here, in a complete different country, with very distinct criminal legislation, I guess this model could be reproduced back in the US."

Say something stupid and nonsensical, then lie about it. That seems to be the pattern with him. Very dishonest human being.

Yuri · #**3156** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 4:34 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by badrunner

In Brazil though the scale of the problem appears to be much much worse. If I'm reading the stat correctly Sao Paulo police killed 514 civilians in 2020, in a city that averages about 600 murders a year? First of all, that should immediately make you question the accuracy of the official figures... it's probably total BS and nobody should believe it. And can you imagine such a level of police violence in the US? It's very dishonest and disingenuous for Yuri to boast about San Paulo's murder rate vis-a-vis Chicago's without also mentioning the high numbers of police killings. I mean, we could dramatically lower crime rates in this country too if we didn't care about civil rights, or human rights in general. But like I said, different values.

And yes, Yuri actually did suggest that the US should adopt Brazil-style policing: "If worked down here, in a complete different country, with very distinct criminal legislation, I guess this model could be reproduced back in the US."

Say something stupid and nonsensical, then lie about it. That seems to be the pattern with him. Very dishonest human being.

I talked about investing on police personnel and equipment, not killing people around. There's nothing on my post suggesting that. Where do you get those things from?

Police in the 1990's killed as much as today and crime rates in São Paulo was high. There is zero relation between officers killing people and decreasing violence.

And why are you bringing the number of homicides of the City of São Paulo, and the numbers of people killed by the police in the whole State, which is 4x more populated? The number of homicides in the state was close to 3,000. 600 is the number in the capital.

The City of São Paulo used to register almost 4,000 murders in the worst years of late 1990's and now it's at only 600. Crimes like kidnapping, a common occurrence back then, stopped completely. Robbery followed by murder, the most fearful crime as it affects the average citizen, dropped dramatically as well. That's a MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT. We're talking about tens of thousands of lives spared in the past 20 years. Only a very damaged person would claim that's a bad thing.

Chisouthside · #**3157** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 4:35 PM**

Actual number for 2020 was 814 in Sao Paolo state according to this. (people killed by cops)
https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/no...6percent.ghtml
Sorry that it's in portuguese but maybe google chrome can translate it?

And yeah, criminal on criminal murder is definitely a major problem that should not be glossed over either.

badrunner · #**3158** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 4:40 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuri

I talked about investing on police personnel and equipment, not killing people around. There's nothing on my post suggesting that. Where do you get those things from?

Well OF COURSE you didn't mention the police killings. Why would you? You omitted that little detail. Hence the dishonesty...

Yuri · #**3159** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 5:32 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chisouthside

Actual number for 2020 was 814 in Sao Paolo state according to this. (people killed by cops)
https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/no...6percent.ghtml
Sorry that it's in portuguese but maybe google chrome can translate it?

And yeah, criminal on criminal murder is definitely a major problem that should not be glossed over either.

That’s right. I can google later but in São Paulo capital is about 1/4 of this number or a bit less, proportional to its weight.

Reducing murders is very important, be it in São Paulo, Chicago everywhere. People often dismiss it on the grounds gang members are the ones push those stats up.

Even the high police lethality as the tolerance of population with it, are often related to violence ridden places. When crimes fall, police lethal force tends to fall as result and the public demands less police violence.

Defunding police, as we see in some US places, proved to be a mistake. Crimes soared.

Yuri · #**3160** Posted **Nov 1, 2021, 5:48 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by badrunner

Well OF COURSE you didn't mention the police killings. Why would you? You omitted that little detail. Hence the dishonesty...

And why on Earth I’d mention high police killing as good policy?! I certainly don’t relate police killing more with reducing crimes. São Paulo state police neither.

You’re the one assuming the decrease on crimes rates in São Paulo are due police lethality. It’s not. It’s due better careers, billions on equipments, cars, helicopters, cameras, satellites, the whole package.

Crime is an important issue in Brazil and governor will try to implement a policy aiming to deal with this situation. Crime law in Brazil is a federal matter only, so the states only have their polices to deal with the problem.