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Old Posted Jun 7, 2023, 3:21 PM
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But I guess Hard Rock will run shuttles.
Oh they will 6 shuttles a day to and from every senior's home in Eastern Ontario. Who needs to leave an inheritance to those kids?? Government (and private sector operators) wants their $$$

Every dollar spent in Gambling is a dollar wasted in the economy, if we could divert all that gambling money into the general economy, it would have such a positive impact on our GDP (and taxes - even after factoring the OLG loss)

... but that's another discussion, gotta feed people's vices (and greed and dreams etc...)
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Oh they will 6 shuttles a day to and from every senior's home in Eastern Ontario. Who needs to leave an inheritance to those kids?? Government (and private sector operators) wants their $$$

Every dollar spent in Gambling is a dollar wasted in the economy, if we could divert all that gambling money into the general economy, it would have such a positive impact on our GDP (and taxes - even after factoring the OLG loss)

... but that's another discussion, gotta feed people's vices (and greed and dreams etc...)
You aren't wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if Ontario alone brings in billions in revenue monthly (if you factor in alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, lotteries, taxes, etc), and yet nobody seems to know where it all goes.

I recall several years ago listening to a woman who called into the Lowell Green show on CFRA, and she presented a realistic hypothetical idea she had about this. She said to imagine the Max Millions/Lottomax had a $30 million dollar main prize. She said that there was a high likelihood that OLG sells $300+ million in tickets, just on that one draw alone. So when you subtract the payout, that leaves OLG or whomeve with $270 million. Then she asked where exactly does that $270 million go? Certainly not the hospitals, which are all turning into private corporations over time that are perpetually broke, or close to it. She added that its obviously not going into roads/grounds or other public infrastructure (at least not much, since there is always funds being funneled from multiple sources, like there isn't enough available at the provincial or municipal level), seeing as the roads, sidewalks, and public recreation facilities are always in a state of dis-reapair. Then she went on to talk about how that's considering OLG revenue only, imagine the tax revenue from fuel, booze, tobacco cannabis on top of that....probably in the billions, monthly.

Makes you wonder...
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The key is to build it before enough Karens move in to form a CA
Karens don't care which was there first. They will insist that it be shut down even though they knowingly chose to move next to it.
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You aren't wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if Ontario alone brings in billions in revenue monthly (if you factor in alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, lotteries, taxes, etc), and yet nobody seems to know where it all goes.

I recall several years ago listening to a woman who called into the Lowell Green show on CFRA, and she presented a realistic hypothetical idea she had about this. She said to imagine the Max Millions/Lottomax had a $30 million dollar main prize. She said that there was a high likelihood that OLG sells $300+ million in tickets, just on that one draw alone. So when you subtract the payout, that leaves OLG or whomeve with $270 million. Then she asked where exactly does that $270 million go? Certainly not the hospitals, which are all turning into private corporations over time that are perpetually broke, or close to it. She added that its obviously not going into roads/grounds or other public infrastructure (at least not much, since there is always funds being funneled from multiple sources, like there isn't enough available at the provincial or municipal level), seeing as the roads, sidewalks, and public recreation facilities are always in a state of dis-reapair. Then she went on to talk about how that's considering OLG revenue only, imagine the tax revenue from fuel, booze, tobacco cannabis on top of that....probably in the billions, monthly.

Makes you wonder...
What do you expect? Signs like "This splashpad is sponsored by OLG"?

Financial reports are easily googleable. Last year $1.6B went to the province general revenue among other things for example.

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You aren't wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if Ontario alone brings in billions in revenue monthly (if you factor in alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, lotteries, taxes, etc), and yet nobody seems to know where it all goes.

I recall several years ago listening to a woman who called into the Lowell Green show on CFRA, and she presented a realistic hypothetical idea she had about this. She said to imagine the Max Millions/Lottomax had a $30 million dollar main prize. She said that there was a high likelihood that OLG sells $300+ million in tickets, just on that one draw alone. So when you subtract the payout, that leaves OLG or whomeve with $270 million. Then she asked where exactly does that $270 million go? Certainly not the hospitals, which are all turning into private corporations over time that are perpetually broke, or close to it. She added that its obviously not going into roads/grounds or other public infrastructure (at least not much, since there is always funds being funneled from multiple sources, like there isn't enough available at the provincial or municipal level), seeing as the roads, sidewalks, and public recreation facilities are always in a state of dis-reapair. Then she went on to talk about how that's considering OLG revenue only, imagine the tax revenue from fuel, booze, tobacco cannabis on top of that....probably in the billions, monthly.

Makes you wonder...
I've never really understood statements like this. Everything is relative. Just because $270M is an insane amount of money to your or I, doesn't mean it's enough to plug all the holes in our budget. It's like giving a fiver to a homeless guy and expecting him to no longer be poor.
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Remember that Jim Watson was mayor both in the late 90s and in the 10s, both times when an urban casino was considered. Both times, the city said No. On the first occasion, Gloucester took advantage of the vacuum and built a casino at the ailing Rideau-Carleton raceway, that was withering under government gambling competition. In my opinion, we could have both (Rideau-Carleton and downtown) as an urban casino would have had a completely different market.
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I love the picture they use in this article of the guitar shaped hotel in Florida. Looks just like the airport motel they are building in Ottawa!

https://www.blogto.com/travel/2023/0...-hotel-ottawa/
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I love the picture they use in this article of the guitar shaped hotel in Florida. Looks just like the airport motel they are building in Ottawa!

https://www.blogto.com/travel/2023/0...-hotel-ottawa/
I've been to that hotel, it's very nice and impressive. The casino is large and modern, there's a few bars & upscale restaurants inside. There's also a nightly light show on the guitar (set to music) and a very popular outdoor pool & beach club which holds daytime events open to the public (with purchase of a ticket obviously).

Unfortunately, I don't expect any of these features will be present or even considered for the "Hard Rock Ottawa" and I expect my annual visits to the casino to remain at 0 for the foreseeable future. I will continue to perhaps visits Lac Leamy once or twice a year.
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The average age of overnight patrons at the Ottawa Hard Rock Motel will be 80+ so I also doubt we will be seeing an outdoor pool and beach club
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I love the picture they use in this article of the guitar shaped hotel in Florida. Looks just like the airport motel they are building in Ottawa!

https://www.blogto.com/travel/2023/0...-hotel-ottawa/
Every time. Impossible to miss. Guaranteed that when any developer from outside the City invests here, they will value engineer the heck out of their project compared to the impressive work they do elsewhere. Hard Rock, Rimap, Andaz. Dream (on the Gatineau side, at least).
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It would be very disruptive for our new Lebreton residential neighbourhood.
The pre-nimbys, they're getting ready to mobilize!!!
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Oh they will 6 shuttles a day to and from every senior's home in Eastern Ontario. Who needs to leave an inheritance to those kids?? Government (and private sector operators) wants their $$$

Every dollar spent in Gambling is a dollar wasted in the economy, if we could divert all that gambling money into the general economy, it would have such a positive impact on our GDP (and taxes - even after factoring the OLG loss)

... but that's another discussion, gotta feed people's vices (and greed and dreams etc...)
I agree with this, which is why a downtown casino would be less directed at locals and more directed at tourists. Casino income from tourists is good for our local economy, casino income from locals isn't so good. But then they would need to make it more of an attraction a la Montreal's casino or Niagara's. Something at Lebreton could still work, especially if they push for the whole "casino near the falls" motif. I think a bunch of americans upstate do come up to our casinos, why not take a bit of their income with a tourist attaction *insert evil laugh*.
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It's difficult to convey the size of this project from a phone on the ground, but it's too close to the airport to launch the drone. I just drove by and it blew me away. I'll never forgive Jim Watson for forcing this kind of investment into such an idiotic location.

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Oh they will 6 shuttles a day to and from every senior's home in Eastern Ontario. Who needs to leave an inheritance to those kids?? Government (and private sector operators) wants their $$$

Every dollar spent in Gambling is a dollar wasted in the economy, if we could divert all that gambling money into the general economy, it would have such a positive impact on our GDP (and taxes - even after factoring the OLG loss)

... but that's another discussion, gotta feed people's vices (and greed and dreams etc...)
I went to the Lac Leamy Casino a couple of weeks ago with an old cowoker. I think I have only been to the place twice since I've moved here (in 2006).

I took out 40 bucks, knowing full well I'd probably lose it all. Which I did.

I made it last for my entire 3 hour stay. My friend took out $200 and once he saw me on a winning streak for a bit, he was sure he was going to win too.

End of the night I was out 40 bucks and he was out 200. Gambling is nasty, especially on those machines. I went into the night knowing I would lose it. He went into it thinking he could win.

I like poker. You can read a person. Can't read a machine.
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shoulda had the hardrock closer to downtown...................... coulda developed it at bayview yards since its an empty lot and would be close to lebreton.................
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LeDroit has quite a few pics on their website, but I've posted the one we all wanted to see, the one Harley couldn't take due to the close proximity to the airport.

There is a CTV article out there for those who want to read about in English. They just didn't have any compelling shots.

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Photoreportage | Le futur hôtel et casino Hard Rock d’Ottawa prend forme

Par Patrick Woodbury, Le Droit
29 novembre 2023


La construction du futur hôtel et casino Hard Rock d’Ottawa va bon train dans la capitale fédérale.



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L’aménagement du hall de concert Hard Rock Live permettra aussi de présenter des spectacles de tous genres à une foule de 1800 personnes assises. La capacité peut passer à 2200 places pour les activités sans sièges.

L’aménagement du hall de concert Hard Rock Live permettra aussi de présenter des spectacles de tous genres à une foule de 1800 personnes assises. La capacité peut passer à 2200 places pour les activités sans sièges.

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https://www.ledroit.com/actualites/a...G2FOWTHCCH35I/
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