CNBC: Middle class income ranges for 20 most populous U.S. metros

[iheartthed]

1. San Francisco-Oakland-Berkeley, CA: $77K - $232K
2. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV: $74K - $221K
3. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA: $68K - $203K
4. Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH: $67K - $202K
5. San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad, CA: $61K - $182K
6. Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO: $60K - $181K
7. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI: $58K - $175K
8. Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD: $58K - $173K
9. New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA: $56K - $169K
10. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA: $55K - $165K
11. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD: $53K - $160K
12. Chicago-Naperville-Elgin, IL: $52K - $156K
13. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Alpharetta, GA: $52K - $155K
14. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA: $51K - $154K
15. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX: $51K - $152K
16. Phoenix-Mesa-Chandler, AZ: $50K - $151K
17. Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX: $47K - $142K
18. Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI: $45K - $134K
19. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, FL: $43K - $128K
20. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL: $42K - $126K

source: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/02/midd...us-cities.html

[BnaBreaker]

So someone making $76K/year in San Francisco is considered lower class?

[sopas ej]

Originally Posted by BnaBreaker

So someone making $76K/year in San Francisco is considered lower class?

It'll vary, no? Because isn't it income per household? So, a single person vs. a double-income household? Divide that 76K by two, and each person only earns 38K/year.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by BnaBreaker

So someone making $76K/year in San Francisco is considered lower class?

A single person with that income would be fine but a couple/ family with that income would really struggle to make ends meet. It's so damn expensive here.

[chris08876]

There's a tool in the link found here: (Scroll all the way down)

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/13/anth...what-does.html


You can place your annual pre-tax income, household size (# of people in the house) your nearest metro area, and it will tell you if your middle class or not. Apparently I'm not middle class according to this for the NY Metro (upper instead), but in San Francisco metro, I'm middle class.

[tech12]

Originally Posted by BnaBreaker

So someone making $76K/year in San Francisco is considered lower class?

Yeah, if your household size is big enough. Don't forget the high wages and even higher cost of living in SF.

For the record, SF has plenty of people who are poor by the standards of the poorest parts of America. Often I see people comment on income stats, as if your average poor SF resident would actually be rich if they moved to say, a trailer park in Mississippi, or something. There isn't just relative poverty in SF, there are also truly poor people (and not just the homeless), who make zero money, or maybe $10,000-$20,000 per year, and live in run down SROs, public housing, inherited homes, overcrowded rent-controlled units, tents, RVs, and even the odd plywood/cardboard/tarp shack (it's way more common to see full blown shantytowns in Oakland though, because SF is way more active when it comes to clearing homeless encampments).

[chris08876]

Yeah I can see 75k in SF being an issue, unless one is very wise with the budget.



Credit: https://www.businessinsider.com/sala...-cities-2017-9


Unless you get a unicorn deal on a unit for rent.

[pepper steak]

Originally Posted by BnaBreaker

So someone making $76K/year in San Francisco is considered lower class?

So someone making $157K/year in Chicago is considered upper class?

It's all relative.

[homebucket]

Is this before or after taxes?

[JManc]

^ Before

Originally Posted by pepper steak

So someone making $157K/year in Chicago is considered upper class?

It's all relative.

For the vast majority of the US, a person making $157k is high income which afford them a nice car, house and enough money to save and spend on non essential things. Even in SF, you can do pretty decent on that salary.

[pepper steak]

Originally Posted by JManc

^ Before



For the vast majority of the US, a person making $157k is high income which afford them a nice car, house and enough money to save and spend on non essential things. Even in SF, you can do pretty decent on that salary.

And the vast majority of the planet can live large on $20k a year. Like I said, it's all relative.

[pdxtex]

I file this under grain of salt. If these are for a combined household that's either broke a.f. or doing pretty good.

[dave8721]

Originally Posted by JManc

^ Before



For the vast majority of the US, a person making $157k is high income which afford them a nice car, house and enough money to save and spend on non essential things. Even in SF, you can do pretty decent on that salary.

Is this a person or a family? I certainly wouldn't consider a dual income family making 157k a year to be "upper class". Thats solid upper middle class territory. Me and my wife make much more than the upper limit of Miami's middle class on that chart and there is no way we are upper class.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by dave8721

Is this a person or a family? I certainly wouldn't consider a dual income family making 157k a year to be "upper class". Thats solid upper middle class territory. Me and my wife make much more than the upper limit of Miami's middle class on that chart and there is no way we are upper class.

That's just middle class, I think. My wife and I combined aren't considered middle class according to that chart either but we're still upper middle class, like you. Not upper class which is a whole other echelon.

[SteveD]

We aren't considered middle class in the Atlanta metro but we're sliding in that direction as I contemplate semi-retirement and my work slows down. My peak earning years are behind me, but I don't really care.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

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[*]Phoenix-Mesa-Chandler, AZ: $50K - $151K

source: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/02/midd...us-cities.html

Well my household doesn't feel upper-class to me

[austlar1]

Speaking of upper-class, what's become of 10023? His withering commentary on matters of class and status have been absent from these threads for at least 6 months. Maybe he got laid off or transferred to a less desirable locale? Anybody know?

[homebucket]

Originally Posted by austlar1

Speaking of upper-class, what's become of 10023? His withering commentary on matters of class and status have been absent from these threads for at least 6 months. Maybe he got laid off or transferred to a less desirable locale? Anybody know?

Last I heard, he got kicked out of his mom's basement in Wiscansin.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Last I heard, he got kicked out of his mom's basement in Wiscansin.

But he's still sleeping on his $20,000 sofa.....


....in a van down by the river!

[chris08876]

Credit: https://www.abc27.com/pennsylvania/d...and-us-cities/