Phoenix Area Stadium and Arena News

[xymox]

Originally Posted by muertecaza

If nothing else the plan includes $200m in bonds/tax breaks on which all Tempe residents should have a say.

How did Tempe not learn from Glendale about doing business with the team? They're going to wind up in the same spot in about 10 years...

[muertecaza]

Originally Posted by combusean

I didn't realize they were also issuing bonds, which are a terrible idea for a private project. Cities only have so much bonding capacity and it's foolish to tie it up for this.

Originally Posted by xymox

How did Tempe not learn from Glendale about doing business with the team? They're going to wind up in the same spot in about 10 years...

Yeah, are the basic details: https://www.coyotesintempe.com/the-details

Glass half full version is that they're spending $200m to clean up a city landfill to make it developable land, and the bonds are being repaid from tax/parking revenues from the entertainment district, so no increase in property taxes to repay the bonds. Unlike Glendale, the team will otherwise privately finance and build the arena, leaving the City less tied to the team long term, other than owning a parking garage in the project.

Opinions about whether the City should be contributing even $200m to a proposed $2.1b project, however, and whether the City should be giving away tax revenue to repay those bonds given that at least some of spending at the entertainment district will be drawn away from other parts of the city, will vary.

[N830MH]

Originally Posted by locolife

I’m in north Tempe and it’s a yes vote for me.

Very good! Please let tell everyone to says yes. Let them vote!

[locolife]

Originally Posted by muertecaza

Yeah, are the basic details: https://www.coyotesintempe.com/the-details

Glass half full version is that they're spending $200m to clean up a city landfill to make it developable land, and the bonds are being repaid from tax/parking revenues from the entertainment district, so no increase in property taxes to repay the bonds. Unlike Glendale, the team will otherwise privately finance and build the arena, leaving the City less tied to the team long term, other than owning a parking garage in the project.

Opinions about whether the City should be contributing even $200m to a proposed $2.1b project, however, and whether the City should be giving away tax revenue to repay those bonds given that at least some of spending at the entertainment district will be drawn away from other parts of the city, will vary.

I don’t think much spending at this venue will be drawn away from other parts of Tempe. There’s no other large indoor venue in Tempe which this will draw non-hockey events from but there could be some retail sales drawn from Tempe marketplace I suppose. What else are you thinking?

What development examples are out there which required remediation of a current landfill site without any support from the city to do so?

[combusean]

IIRC, Tempe Marketplace was privately funded and that was built on a remediated landfill.

[azsunsurfer]

Originally Posted by combusean

IIRC, Tempe Marketplace was privately funded and that was built on a remediated landfill.

It was a superfund site though, so it got all that Federal bacon to clean it up

[ASU Diablo]

They say this now but expect them to mail out hundreds of thousands of mailers to Tempe residents to encourage them to vote "No".

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...t/69693085007/

Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport has all but reversed its position opposing Tempe's $2.1 billion development deal with the Arizona Coyotes, an unexpected move that suggests the project's most outspoken opponent has thrown-in the towel on its yearlong effort to kill the plan.

The airport's change of heart coincided with the Tempe City Council's call for a special election last week that lets voters decide whether the Coyotes proposal gets approved. The deal involves building nearly 2,000 apartments, a hockey arena and an entertainment district on 46 acres of Tempe-owned land west of Town Lake.

The planned apartments have been in the airport's crosshairs since shortly after the project came to light last year. Sky Harbor has been steadfast in its contention that the project would violate a 1994 agreement between Phoenix and Tempe that dictates how close housing can be to the airport. Sky Harbor's pushback has been relentless.

Airport officials have appeared at multiple Tempe City Council meetings to speak against the development and even threatened to sue Tempe in May. In October, they sent flyers to 100,000 homes across the East Valley warning residents that the project could necessitate new flight paths and trigger loud plane noise over their neighborhoods.

But all of that seemed to be a distant memory at last Tuesday's meeting when Sky Harbor official Chad Makovsky instead wished the city good luck moving forward, a strong indication that the project's last major opponent is backing off.

Tempe officials also voiced unanimous support for the project, which leaves the Coyotes with only one last hurdle to jump before the deal goes through: securing a "yes" vote during the May 16 special election.
"A positive and productive relationship between Tempe, Sky Harbor and the City of Phoenix has been and continues to be incredibly important to us," he said. "I wish you the best as you make this important decision for your community."

The airport's about face was driven by the recent inclusion of an "indemnification" provision in the Coyotes' proposal, according to Makovsky. It essentially requires the NHL franchise to defend the airport in court against any excessive plane noise lawsuits filed by new residents on the site, which sits only a couple of miles from Sky Harbor. It's also within the area's high-noise zone where the 1994 agreement, also called an IGA, restricts certain types of housing development.

The Coyotes also made some smaller concessions throughout the past year. They included an "avigation easement" that will lessen restrictions on planes flying low over private property, for example, and agreed to participate in consultations with the airport over crane height during construction.

"At the end of the day, there was some additional language that was agreed to within the agreement, which was negotiated between Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport and (the developer). That was not about the City of Tempe, but kind of a mutual agreement between those two parties," Tempe Mayor Corey Woods said, adding that he doesn't expect that Sky Harbor will continue trying to kill the deal. The airport's assertion that apartments aren't allowed under the IGA is also a stretch, given that the rules don't clearly spell that out. It's possible Sky Harbor wanted to cow Tempe with legal threats rather than actually sue the city using that argument, and when that didn't work, the aviation department just had to get on board with the project. The Arizona Republic previously reported that the IGA appears to make an exception for sound-proofed apartments, like the ones included in the Coyotes' proposal, and a 1999 letter between the mayors of Tempe and Phoenix confirmed that interpretation.

Unearthed records also showed Phoenix previously supported a high-noise project in Tempe with housing and didn't raise an issue when 400 units were built in that area.

Sky Harbor officials still contend that the IGA does permit apartments, however. Makovsky said the exact meaning of the 1994 policy is one of the issues that still needs to be ironed-out, along with an agreement that Tempe will continue to support airport expansion even if the Coyotes' future tenants get fed-up with the loud noise. Makovsky said Sky Harbor cannot support the Coyotes development because the airport views it as "incompatible land use" under the rules, but added that he will not "wholeheartedly oppose" the project as long as the other protections are in place moving forward.

"As it goes to the vote, we're going to work with both the developer and with the City of Tempe to make sure that the commitments that were made actually come to fruition," he said. "Provided they do, we don't intend to wholeheartedly oppose this development."

[N830MH]

Originally Posted by ASU Diablo

They say this now but expect them to mail out hundreds of thousands of mailers to Tempe residents to encourage them to vote "No".

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...t/69693085007/

That’s factual information. You don’t have right information. All Tempe residents have it right. They says yes. Let them vote. Please says yes to Arizona Coyotes arena.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by N830MH

That’s factual information. You don’t have right information. All Tempe residents have it right. They says yes. Let them vote. Please says yes to Arizona Coyotes arena.

I think you misunderstood Diablo's sarcasm in his comment.

[LocoPhoenician]

Originally Posted by N830MH

That’s factual information. You don’t have right information. All Tempe residents have it right. They says yes. Let them vote. Please says yes to Arizona Coyotes arena.

No as someone who lives in the neighborhood we will be voting No! The area has no business next to a residential neighborhood. Build it McClintock and Rio Salado or down by ikea!

[stutteringpunk]

Originally Posted by LocoPhoenician

No as someone who lives in the neighborhood we will be voting No! The area has no business next to a residential neighborhood. Build it McClintock and Rio Salado or down by ikea!

They tried. ASU backed out of that proposal.

[DUPio]

. Accidental

[CrestedSaguaro]

Here's a traffic markup of the proposed Phoenix Rising Stadium at the old Greyhound site on Washington. No real renderings, but gives you an idea of what we can expect. Looks like they are going for a much larger capacity at 9,035 (including ADA)

View traffic markup here on my Google Drive: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1q9U...ew?usp=sharing

[MiEncanto]

Originally Posted by combusean

IIRC, Tempe Marketplace was privately funded and that was built on a remediated landfill.

Tempe marketplace also got an 8 year abatement on every building plus a 25 year in total GPLET (prop tax break).

I'm not aware of any major project in Tempe that didn't get a deal... so if you're made about City of Tempe getting deals, you should start with literally everyone else. Hell State Farm got a 100 year sweetheart deal from ASU where they pay next to nothing.

[N830MH]

You can vote for sports, entertainment. It's up to voters. Please vote yes!

https://www.azfamily.com/2023/01/11/...nment-complex/

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1613262946716770304

Tempe releases 3 special ballot propositions for voters to decide on sports, entertainment complex

[CrestedSaguaro]

Didn't realize the new Rising stadium had already started construction off Washington. Looks like they are around 70% or so complete with the stadium.

Here's some pics I grabbed:

[KEVINphx]

Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro

Didn't realize the new Rising stadium had already started construction off Washington. Looks like they are around 70% or so complete with the stadium.

Here's some pics I grabbed:

LOL A stretch to call this a "stadium" by any means of the imagination

Looks like the same temporary looking stuff they have at the reservation

[CrestedSaguaro]

It's a pop-up stadium such as the previous 2 stadiums were. This one has a larger seating capacity than the previous 2 stadiums. I'm sure once the bleachers are complete, they will add some nice cladding around the structure.

[phoenixwillrise]

Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro

It's a pop-up stadium such as the previous 2 stadiums were. This one has a larger seating capacity than the previous 2 stadiums. I'm sure once the bleachers are complete, they will add some nice cladding around the structure.

Wish this guy was a big bopper who could afford to build his own 25k seat Dome downtown or at this same site and bring in Big League Soccer. Maybe if the D'Backs abandon Chase Field they could hopefully find some big bopper who could totally rehab Chase with a hotel and office and shops and new roof and play Major League soccer there.

[locolife]

Originally Posted by phoenixwillrise

Wish this guy was a big bopper who could afford to build his own 25k seat Dome downtown or at this same site and bring in Big League Soccer. Maybe if the D'Backs abandon Chase Field they could hopefully find some big bopper who could totally rehab Chase with a hotel and office and shops and new roof and play Major League soccer there.

Abandon it? I don't see that happening, I think it's going the Footprint center route based on discussions with Ken Kendrick on sports radio.