NEW YORK | 175 Park Avenue (Grand Hyatt) | 1,575 FT | 86 FLOORS

[NYguy]

This year should bring into focus just what will rise here.


DECEMBER 31, 2019

[NYguy]

JANUARY 14, 2020

[Zapatan]

If whatever rises here is taller than the Chrysler building, or even close, I hope it complements it extremely well. I'm a bit worried (but also excited) to be honest.

[Visionist]

Call it Grand Central Tower.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

If whatever rises here is taller than the Chrysler building, or even close, I hope it complements it extremely well. I'm a bit worried (but also excited) to be honest.

It will definitely be one to watch. It’s a very tricky site. The traditional open plaza/space won’t work here. Loading bays will also have to go somewhere. As is, the building functions as an extension of Grand Central, the new tower will be more so.

Originally Posted by Visionist

Call it Grand Central Tower.

They’ll probably call it something like One Grand. It’s the best location for an office tower in the entire city. It’s surrounded by landmarks and iconic buildings. I’m expecting the design to be something special.

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It’s surrounded by landmarks and iconic buildings.

Yeah its surrounded by lovely buildings, a couple of which are about to foolishly bite the dust and leave the area a little colder (MTA headquarters) .

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Yeah its surrounded by lovely buildings, a couple of which are about to foolishly bite the dust and leave the area a little colder (MTA headquarters) .

I mean this site is literally surrounded by landmarked buildings.

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by NYguy

I mean this site is literally surrounded by landmarked buildings.

Hope it doesn't obliterate the view of the Chrysler building, which is less and less prominent.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by DCReid

Hope it doesn't obliterate the view of the Chrysler building, which is less and less prominent.

From direct vantage points, it will most certainly affect the view of Chrysler, even though Chrysler will remain visible. You can just look at the effects of One Vanderbilt, and this tower will be between the two...


https://www.instagram.com/p/B7GTEJlgJ3C/





https://www.instagram.com/p/B5EWRBQgGqe/

[NYguy]

But there's still a while to go before we get to that. I've posted this before, but the hotel - for now - is scheduled to remain open for at least a couple of years.



https://www.hyatt.com/en-US/hotel/ne...gh/news-events

GRAND HYATT NEW YORK SHARES UPDATE ON TIMING AROUND PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT
Proposed transformative 2-million-square-foot development would include a new Grand Hyatt New York hotel;
Grand Hyatt New York to remain open through July 31, 2022


August 20, 2019

As redevelopment plans continue on schedule for a new Grand Hyatt New York, the luxury hotel is pleased to confirm that it will continue accepting reservations through at least July 31, 2022.

The proposed redevelopment project, in collaboration with TF Cornerstone, MSD Partners and RXR Realty, would replace the existing Grand Hyatt New York and create an iconic 2-million-square-foot mixed-use development, including a new luxury Grand Hyatt hotel, world-class office and retail space, new public open space and dramatic improvements to the public transportation infrastructure in the Grand Central Terminal transit complex.

“We are excited about the potential opportunity to set a new standard for luxury in East Midtown with a new Grand Hyatt hotel,” said John Schafer, general manager, Grand Hyatt New York. “Until then, we remain fully committed to delivering the highest level of service and an outstanding experience for our guests, customers and the community – as we have done for more than 35 years. We look forward to continue welcoming guests and groups to the hotel through at least July 31, 2022.”

The proposed development is subject to city and state public review processes, and work would only begin following receipt of all necessary approvals, completion of the design plans, and the arrangement of sufficient project financing to complete its construction.

Hyatt is working closely with TF Cornerstone, MSD Partners and RXR Realty on the planning and design for this iconic Grand Hyatt New York project. Further details regarding the proposed redevelopment will be shared as soon as they become available.

So we could be watching this building come down, while watching 270 go up. Basically like watching 270 come down while One Vanderbilt wraps up.



Here's a look at the designated landmarks surround the site, including the Chrysler, Grand Central, and the Graybar building...



https://nycofficesuites.com/location/graybar/

[NYguy]

Governor loooking to speed up things again...




https://www.politico.com/states/new-...k-city-1252713

Cuomo leaves an outsized mark on de Blasio's New York City

by POLITICO's Dana Rubinstein
01/21/2020

The Cuomo administration may let two of New York City’s biggest real estate concerns tear down Donald Trump’s first significant Manhattan project, and build a skyscraper next to Grand Central Terminal.

Though the development will, with at least 2 million square feet, rival the Chrysler Building in size, New York City itself will have little formal involvement in the project.

That the Cuomo administration is considering letting TF Cornerstone and RXR Realty’s Scott Rechler (a major Cuomo donor) bypass New York City’s onerous review process in favor of the state’s, speaks to one of the more striking aspects of development in New York City over much of the past decade: For better or for worse, Cuomo is likely to leave a far more conspicuous and lasting impact on New York City’s built environment than the mayor who has governed the city for more than six years.

Cuomo adores a vacuum. Fancying himself a master builder in the vein of Robert Moses, he has spent years treating de Blasio’s New York like his personal SimCity.

On Jan. 6, the governor embraced a proposal, long-sought by urbanists, to add extra tracks to Penn Station by acquiring a full block of midtown Manhattan. He’s considering using the same “general project plan” approval mechanism that his administration wanted to use for Amazon’s campus in Long Island City. His administration is considering the same mechanism, which bypasses the city’s approval process, for the Rechler project next to Grand Central.

Cuomo's turning the old James A. Farley Post Office into a train hall for Amtrak and Long Island Rail Road riders. He’s rebuilding LaGuardia and JFK airports, both in New York City, via the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey that he jointly controls with New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy. He’s building an AirTrain of debatable utility through Queens.

Cuomo’s infatuation with leaving his physical mark prompted him to rebuild a workaday highway bridge — the Kosciuszko that carries the BQE from Brooklyn to Queens — into a striking cable-stay crossing with spangly lights. It’s changed the Brooklyn-Queens skyline. He’s gilded the MTA’s two East River car tunnels with blue and yellow tiles, and “architectural” towers.

Next to Grand Central, TF Cornerstone and Rechler were agnostic as to what environmental review process the $3 billion project should go through, a source close to the project told POLITICO.

The state’s development arm — Empire State Development — argues that since the state controls the underlying land, a state approval process makes more sense, even though the land reverts to the city upon the conclusion of the long-term lease and the city hasn’t solicited the state’s involvement, as is traditional.

"In the past, the city invited the state in — at 42nd Street, Battery Park City, the convention center, the entire West side,” Sagalyn said.

The city seems ambivalent about Cuomo’s latest endeavors, too.

“As with Penn Station, we need more information on this project but believe that the City has to have a seat at the table in planning next steps,” said de Blasio spokesperson Olivia Lapeyrolerie, in an email.

City Council Speaker Corey Johnson, whose land use powers under the city’s approval process also stand to be compromised at the Grand Hyatt, declined comment for this story.

"It’s easy to rattle off a big list of things that Cuomo has done to the physical environment,” said Nicole Gelinas, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. “You have to work a lot harder to come up with a similar list for de Blasio.”

[NYguy]

https://patch.com/new-york/midtown-n...-review-report

Grand Hyatt Redevelopment May Bypass City Review: Report
Governor Cuomo may help the massive project by directing it through a state review process.


By Brendan Krisel, Patch Staff
Jan 21, 2020

A plan to tear down Midtown Manhattan's Grand Hyatt hotel and redevelop the site into a skyscraper may be able to bypass the city review process with the help of New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, according to a report.

Cuomo may elect to direct the project, planned by developers TF Cornerstone and RXR Realty's Scott Rechler, through the state's land use review process, Politico first reported Tuesday. State officials claim that even though the property is in the middle of New York City, the state should review the project because Empire State Development controls the site through a lease with the city, according to the report.

A spokesperson for New York Mayor Bill de Blasio told Politico that "the City has to have a seat at the table in planning next steps," for the redevelopment.

Developers are planning a massive 2 million-square-foot mixed use development featuring office space, retail and a new hotel at the site of the Grand Hyatt.
The new development is made possible due to a rezoning of the East Midtown office district passed by the City Council in 2017. Other developments such as J.P. Morgan's planned new headquarters at 270 Park Avenue and Macklowe Properties' "Tower Fifth" are also products of the rezoning plan.

[Zapatan]

Wow nice, and to think it could be over 2 million SQF.

I wonder if the developer has any intention to go higher than One Vanderbilt and Chase Tower? 3 400+ meter buildings in that proximity would be beyond epic.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Wow nice, and to think it could be over 2 million SQF.

I wonder if the developer has any intention to go higher than One Vanderbilt and Chase Tower? 3 400+ meter buildings in that proximity would be beyond epic.

It would be 4 with Tower Fifth.


Even with the city’s approval process, this tower could top 270. There are no height limits. And while the state could push it through sooner, the city’s process is more or less a formality here, since the site was already rezoned in the midtown east rezoning. I suspect that something else is up here, and Cuomo, who has been on a building binge, wants to leave his mark on the skyline above all the others. That could mean a tower even larger than what city zoning would allow. Of course, this is all just my speculation.

But the city made a similar play with One Vanderbilt by taking it out if the midtown east rezoning. That’s why we keep hearing that 270 is the first major tower of the rezoning, but that title really belongs to One Vanderbilt.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It would be 4 with Tower Fifth.


Even with the city’s approval process, this tower could top 270. There are no height limits. And while the state could push it through sooner, the city’s process is more or less a formality here, since the site was already rezoned in the midtown east rezoning. I suspect that something else is up here, and Cuomo, who has been on a building binge, wants to leave his mark on the skyline above all the others. That could mean a tower even larger than what city zoning would allow. Of course, this is all just my speculation.

But the city made a similar play with One Vanderbilt by taking it out if the midtown east rezoning. That’s why we keep hearing that 270 is the first major tower of the rezoning, but that title really belongs to One Vanderbilt.

4 would make NYC the only place with that many 400+ meter buildings in such close proximity to each other, the Shanghai Trio is the only other I can think of which is only 3. Dubai Marina only has one 400+ I think as well.

The prospect of no height limits is certainly exciting, but that doesn't mean they'll take advantage of it, they could obviously, but I guess we'll see.

[Visionist]

Gissa Megatall, Cuomo!*

New York doesn't have any supertall hotels with actual hotel rooms high up instead of residences, does it? Imagine ordering a room service pizza from your Presidential Suite, whilst looking down at the Chrysler Building on one side and One Vanderbilt on the other...

* Megatall once you factor in a spire more likely.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Visionist

Gissa Megatall, Cuomo!*

New York doesn't have any supertall hotels with actual hotel rooms high up instead of residences, does it? Imagine ordering a room service pizza from your Presidential Suite, whilst looking down at the Chrysler Building on one side and One Vanderbilt on the other...

* Megatall once you factor in a spire more likely.

I posted earlier something about the new hotel here being at the base of the tower, but that doesn't sound right. Either way, if Cuomo is getting involved, expect something big. He'll want to see it (and want us to see it) from everywhere.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

4 would make NYC the only place with that many 400+ meter buildings in such close proximity to each other, the Shanghai Trio is the only other I can think of which is only 3. Dubai Marina only has one 400+ I think as well.

Let's just throw in this old boy, and make it 5...

[NYguy]

Not that this is the exact design I would want on site, but thinking if they are going to push for some great height, a tower with a large crown would be in the design. This is one of the old proposals for the WTC site, a 2,100 ft, tapered tower. Whatever the design, it will most certainly be tapered, whatever form that takes.

[gramsjdg]

Not really enough detail in that model to see if that would be a good design or not