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Old Posted Jun 9, 2023, 2:54 PM
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Do new immigrants/minorities(in your city or others) integrate w/ previous co-ethnics

There are many historic or ongoing examples.

For example, Italian Americans from the Ellis Island era, and the post- WWII era, or likewise Polish immigrants from the turn of the 20th century and post-Communist times, or old-school Chinatown residents and new mainland Chinese immigrants, different waves of Jewish immigrants etc.

In some cases, there is little overlap. The oldest group may have assimilated so well or become so localized (or even if kept their or developed cultural distinctiveness, did so in a way that new immigrants do not relate to) that they find little common ground with newcomers who just happen to share their surname or whatever.

In other cases, the newer group integrates or even stirs up interest in "re-connecting with their roots'' with the older descendants of the previous diaspora.

In some cases, the newer group might be more status seeking and wanting to fit in (e.g. being viewed as unassimilated, "fresh off the boat") to the older one. It's a story that's pretty old like the German Jews vs. eastern European ones.

In other cases, however, it can be the other way... the older group might look up to the newer group, which might be more seen as a way to keep in touch with one's roots and it might be higher status in some circles to claim to be in touch with the "old country" (don't know how common this mindset is though, could be a thing these days also).

Are there general trends? I know there are common examples of both -- for instance it's common for older waves of assimilated immigrants to distance themselves from newcomers, but also the whole "new immigrants re-vitalize old enclaves" phenomenon.

Sometimes amount of discrimination might play a role vs. voluntary association -- for instance, this might be why historically some voluntary black immigrants (e.g. African, Caribbean), such as early 20th century ones in NYC had solidarity with local black Americans but later freely moving black immigrants in many cities do not always integrate with historically black neighborhoods.

Even with voluntary ethnic/racially distinct immigrants you see trends where in some places mainland Chinese still seek old Chinatowns (e.g. Chicago) but other places where it's not like that at all and new ethnoburbs of Asian immigrants have little continuity with the oldest Chinatowns (e.g. NYC, California, Canada). Don't know if desire for cultural affinity, class etc. is driving these differences or not.

Are there any general observations/patterns that can be seen?
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There's a book about the differences between Polish American ethnics and Polish immigrants that arrived in Chicago in the early 1980s.

https://www.psupress.org/books/title...1-01735-X.html
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