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With all Toronto figures, it depends on what you want to consider Toronto, since Guelph was added above then Kitchener-waterloo and Barrie can equally be considered Toronto, this would add another million to the Toronto number, as Toronto is surrounded by many large metro areas. The greater golden horseshoe also recently passed 10 million which is what most people consider the widest diffintion of Toronto.
These are disparate communities that have very poor connectivity and interaction with the core city. e.g. Barrie (Allendale Waterfront GO) has just 5 trains per day to Union, of which just 3 arrive before 0900 and none departing Barrie after 0908 – in the morning! You see similar poor connectivity and interaction even within sprawling urban areas where people are connected by sprawl but little else.
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Houston grew ~2x as fast as Toronto this past decade so HTX should surpass TO within the next 10-15 years or so. Either way, Toronto likely won't catch up to Dallas. If ever.
Dallas surpassed Toronto quite recently, by the mid-2010's, so it's increasing the distance.

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With all Toronto figures, it depends on what you want to consider Toronto, since Guelph was added above then Kitchener-waterloo and Barrie can equally be considered Toronto, this would add another million to the Toronto number, as Toronto is surrounded by many large metro areas. The greater golden horseshoe also recently passed 10 million which is what most people consider the widest diffintion of Toronto.
Commute rates between Kitchener and Toronto are incredibly low. Someone posted here once and it's about 3% or so whereas the US threshold for CSA is 15% and for MSA 25%.

They're almost 120 km a part, that's almost Chicago and Milwaukee or New York and Philadelphia, but with much less sprawl and people than the American ones. Even adding Guelph was a bit generous.

Greater Golden Horseshoe is not a metro area, not even by a very broader definition. It's a region, like Southern California or Northern California (meaning San Francisco+Stockton+Sacramento metro areas).
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Toronto, in terms of physical size, is much smaller than American counterparts. Canada just doesn't have much Eastern U.S.-style low density sprawl. For example, Toronto is much smaller (geographically) than Detroit.

Dallas has insane growth. Sorta depressing knowing it will likely be technically bigger than Chicago one day.
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Toronto, in terms of physical size, is much smaller than American counterparts. Canada just doesn't have much Eastern U.S.-style low density sprawl. For example, Toronto is much smaller (geographically) than Detroit.

Dallas has insane growth. Sorta depressing knowing it will likely be technically bigger than Chicago one day.
Yeah, at current rates/trends it will be within 25 years or so. But that's a long period of time, and many things can happen, like Dallas slowing down much faster (like Atlanta or Phoenix) and Chicago resuming its growth (like New York).

So there's a good chance of Dallas region never be more populated than Chicago.
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As Chinese released more data on their 2020 Census, I decided to make this compilation with metro areas above 5 million. I also brought the US "Big 12" for comparison:

-------------------------- 2020 --------- 2010 --------- 2000 ---------- Area --------- Growth %
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CHINA -------------- 1,411,778,724 - 1,339,724,852 - 1,242,612,226 - 9,572,900 km² ---- 5.4% ---- 7.8%
UNITED STATES -------- 331,449,281 --- 308,745,538 --- 281,421,906 - 9,149,429 km² ---- 7.3% ---- 9.7%
---------------- 2020 -------- 2010 -------- 2000 ----------- Area -------- Growth %
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GUANGZHOU ---- 28,175,468 --- 19,899,342 --- 15,279,731 ---- 11,282 km² --- 41.6% --- 30.2%

SHENZHEN ----- 27,961,023 --- 18,578,588 --- 13,454,608 ----- 4,457 km² --- 50.5% --- 38.1%

SHANGHAI ----- 27,794,504 --- 25,375,910 --- 17,672,871 ----- 8,094 km² ---- 9.5% --- 43.6%

NEW YORK ----- 22,692,839 --- 21,358,372 --- 20,675,403 ---- 21,770 km² ---- 6.2% ---- 3.3%

BEIJING ------ 20,121,388 --- 18,038,417 --- 12,181,029 ----- 9,119 km² --- 11.5% --- 48.1%

CHENGDU ------ 19,563,260 --- 13,764,325 --- 11,150,559 ----- 8,816 km² --- 42.1% --- 23.4%

LOS ANGELES -- 18,644,680 --- 17,877,006 --- 16,373,645 ---- 87,982 km² ---- 4.3% ---- 9.2%

XI'AN -------- 13,163,333 ---- 9,086,833 ---- 7,662,721 ----- 6,397 km² --- 44.9% --- 18.6%

CHONGQING ---- 12,388,802 ---- 9,290,834 ---- 8,275,784 ---- 10,024 km² --- 33.3% --- 12.3%

WUHAN -------- 12,326,518 ---- 9,785,388 ---- 8,312,700 ----- 8,575 km² --- 26.0% --- 17.7%

TIANJIN ------ 11,952,812 --- 10,938,604 ---- 8,041,774 ----- 7,700 km² ---- 9.3% --- 36.0%

HANGZHOU ----- 11,164,344 ---- 7,932,780 ---- 6,023,313 ---- 10,089 km² --- 40.7% --- 31.7%

SHANTOU ------ 11,115,182 --- 11,137,617 ---- 9,747,015 ----- 6,313 km² --- -0.2% --- 14.3%

ZHENGZHOU ---- 10,260,667 ---- 6,353,285 ---- 4,491,458 ----- 4,310 km² --- 61.5% --- 41.5%

CHANGSHA ----- 10,047,914 ---- 7,040,952 ---- 6,138,719 ---- 11,819 km² --- 42.7% --- 14.7%

SUZHOU -------- 9,824,653 ---- 8,103,176 ---- 5,527,102 ----- 7,349 km² --- 21.2% --- 46.6%

CHICAGO ------- 9,618,502 ---- 9,461,105 ---- 9,098,314 ---- 18,634 km² ---- 1.7% ---- 4.0%

NANJING ------- 9,314,685 ---- 8,003,744 ---- 6,126,165 ----- 6,590 km² --- 16.4% --- 30.6%

WENZHOU ------- 9,018,762 ---- 8,676,582 ---- 7,012,963 ----- 8,481 km² ---- 3.9% --- 23.7%

SHENYANG ------ 8,812,493 ---- 7,747,103 ---- 6,840,797 ----- 5,038 km² --- 13.8% --- 13.2%

QINGDAO ------- 8,160,271 ---- 6,607,438 ---- 5,443,423 ----- 6,482 km² --- 23.5% --- 21.4%

NINGBO -------- 8,140,660 ---- 6,456,336 ---- 4,960,940 ----- 6,214 km² --- 26.1% --- 30.1%

SAN FRANCISCO - 8,036,501 ---- 7,413,121 ---- 7,039,362 ---- 19,943 km² ---- 8.4% ---- 5.3%

HEFEI --------- 7,754,481 ---- 5,702,466 ---- 4,467,384 ----- 7,050 km² --- 36.0% --- 27.6%

DALLAS -------- 7,637,387 ---- 6,366,542 ---- 5,156,217 ---- 22,469 km² --- 20.0% --- 23.5%

FUZHOU -------- 7,498,657 ---- 6,420,594 ---- 5,540,722 ----- 7,328 km² --- 16.8% --- 15.9%

WUXI ---------- 7,462,135 ---- 6,374,399 ---- 5,086,586 ----- 4,618 km² --- 17.1% --- 25.3%

XIAMEN -------- 7,284,148 ---- 5,321,567 ---- 3,627,560 ----- 4,406 km² --- 36.9% --- 46.7%

HOUSTON ------- 7,122,240 ---- 5,920,416 ---- 4,693,161 ---- 21,416 km² --- 20.3% --- 26.1%

QUANZHOU ------ 7,024,007 ---- 6,421,014 ---- 5,452,988 ----- 4,543 km² ---- 9.4% --- 17.8%

HARBIN -------- 6,976,136 ---- 6,704,573 ---- 5,501,784 ---- 10,183 km² ---- 4.1% --- 21.9%

KUNMING ------- 6,584,516 ---- 4,495,649 ---- 3,833,953 ----- 6,739 km² --- 46.5% --- 17.3%

PHILADELPHIA -- 6,245,051 ---- 5,965,353 ---- 5,687,147 ---- 11,922 km² ---- 4.7% ---- 4.9%

SHIJIAZHUANG -- 6,230,709 ---- 4,770,400 ---- 3,995,286 ----- 2,665 km² --- 30.6% --- 19.4%

MIAMI --------- 6,138,333 ---- 5,564,635 ---- 5,007,564 ---- 13,123 km² --- 10.3% --- 11.1%

WASHINGTON ---- 6,105,431 ---- 5,388,326 ---- 4,635,194 ---- 12,403 km² --- 13.3% --- 15.8%

BOSTON -------- 6,095,791 ---- 5,628,532 ---- 5,410,915 ---- 14,621 km² ---- 8.3% ---- 4.0%

ATLANTA ------- 6,089,815 ---- 5,286,728 ---- 4,263,438 ---- 22,496 km² --- 15.2% --- 24.0%

JINAN --------- 6,020,192 ---- 4,853,937 ---- 4,025,392 ----- 4,404 km² --- 24.0% --- 20.6%

TAIYUAN ------- 5,906,614 ---- 4,526,259 ---- 3,574,635 ----- 5,424 km² --- 30.5% --- 26.6%

CHANGCHUN ----- 5,809,671 ---- 4,804,743 ---- 4,184,913 ----- 7,617 km² --- 20.9% --- 14.8%

DALIAN -------- 5,736,383 ---- 4,845,700 ---- 4,041,382 ----- 5,765 km² --- 18.4% --- 19.9%

NANNING ------- 5,675,789 ---- 3,825,203 ---- 3,018,004 ----- 8,787 km² --- 48.4% --- 26.7%

GUIYANG ------- 5,423,312 ---- 3,751,466 ---- 3,107,614 ----- 4,981 km² --- 44.6% --- 20.7%

JIAXING ------- 5,400,868 ---- 4,501,657 ---- 3,582,996 ----- 4,065 km² --- 20.0% --- 25.6%

NANCHANG ------ 5,382,162 ---- 4,171,926 ---- 3,424,107 ----- 4,588 km² --- 29.0% --- 21.8%

TAIZHOU ------- 5,336,820 ---- 4,914,463 ---- 4,063,455 ----- 5,179 km² ---- 8.6% --- 20.9%

DETROIT ------- 5,325,319 ---- 5,218,852 ---- 5,357,538 ---- 14,983 km² ---- 2.0% --- -2.6%

LUOYANG ------- 5,296,125 ---- 4,801,694 ---- 4,490,701 ----- 6,043 km² --- 10.3% ---- 6.9%

CHANGZHOU ----- 5,278,121 ---- 4,592,431 ---- 3,776,270 ----- 4,402 km² --- 14.9% --- 21.6%



And some Chinese metro areas are forming massive clusters:

-------------------------- 2020 --------- 2010 --------- 2000 ---------- Area --------- Growth %
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GUANGZHOU-SHENZHEN ---- 75,008,570 ---- 52,828,947 ---- 39,473,137 ---- 38,571 km² --- 42.0% --- 33.8%
SHANGHAI -------------- 59,526,815 ---- 52,129,284 ---- 38,731,661 ---- 31,662 km² --- 14.2% --- 34.6%
BEIJING-TIANJIN ------- 41,223,191 ---- 36,909,900 ---- 27,251,369 ---- 34,434 km² --- 11.7% --- 35.4%
very interesting. I appreciate the work that goes into these lists. How do you get this presentation style (lists with scroll bars)? What are the html codes? Is it merely
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very interesting. I appreciate the work that goes into these lists. How do you get this presentation style (lists with scroll bars)? What are the html codes?
Molson, I type [ code ] and [ /code ] without the space between the "code" and the brackets.

I write down the list on the Windows' Notepad to make the spaces alligned and then insert the code here to make it easy for us to read.
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Dallas surpassed Toronto quite recently, by the mid-2010's, so it's increasing the distance.



Commute rates between Kitchener and Toronto are incredibly low. Someone posted here once and it's about 3% or so whereas the US threshold for CSA is 15% and for MSA 25%.

They're almost 120 km a part, that's almost Chicago and Milwaukee or New York and Philadelphia, but with much less sprawl and people than the American ones. Even adding Guelph was a bit generous.

Greater Golden Horseshoe is not a metro area, not even by a very broader definition. It's a region, like Southern California or Northern California (meaning San Francisco+Stockton+Sacramento metro areas).
The inner Core of the Golden Horseshoe is only 3,898.65 sq mi (10,097.45 km2) with a population of 7,759,635 as of the 2021 census. The Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex has an area of 8,675 sq mi (22,468 km2) with a population of 7,637,387.

The Extended Golden Horseshoe with 9,765,188 people as of the 2021 census is 12,185.99 sq mi (31,561.57 km2). I don't think it's a big enough area to qualify as a "region" akin to Southern or Northern California, it's more similar in size to Chicagoland, The Bay Area or Washington-Baltimore.
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The Extended Golden Horseshoe with 9,765,188 people as of the 2021 census is 12,185.99 sq mi......, it's more similar in size to Chicagoland.
chicagoland, in terms of where the people live, is nowhere remotely close to 12,000 sq., miles in size.

sure, the CB's wacky-ass CSA definition now includes so many rural cornfield counties that it technically includes over 10,600 sq. miles, but that's an utterly absurd amount of land to consider as "chicagoland", with roughly 3/4 of of it literally cornfields.

i mean, how much time have you ever spent in jasper, or newton, or kankakee, or dekalb, or grundy, or putnam, or lasalle, or bureau counties? they're all straight-up cornbelt with a relative handful of super-commuters that allow them to barely jump the threshold for inclusion into the MSA/CSA.



for a realistic picture for how big chicagoland actually is in terms of physical size, the UA definition is billions of times more accurate.

now, because the CB still hasn't released 2020 UA figures, we have to go back to 2010, but because chicagoland is such a slow-growing area, these figures are still good enough for our purposes here.

Chicago UA: 8,608,208 people on 2,442.8 sq. miles of land
Round Lake UA: 290,373 people on 152.6 sq. miles of land

Combined: 8,898,581 people on 2,595.4 sq. miles of land



now, some might argue that the kenosha UA should be added in there too, as it directly abuts the chicago UA and has metra service into downtown, but i don't like including anything north of the cheddar curtain.

for those who insist, here's kenosha. it doesn't move the numbers a great deal.

Kenosha UA: 124,064 people on 51.2 sq. miles of land.



so in rough terms, we can say that chicagoland is a city of 9M people on 2,600 sq. miles of land. all of those other thousands and thousands of sq. miles in the MSA/CSA definitions are primarily just cornfields surrounding the urban area.
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The inner Core of the Golden Horseshoe is only 3,898.65 sq mi (10,097.45 km2) with a population of 7,759,635 as of the 2021 census. The Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex has an area of 8,675 sq mi (22,468 km2) with a population of 7,637,387.

The Extended Golden Horseshoe with 9,765,188 people as of the 2021 census is 12,185.99 sq mi (31,561.57 km2). I don't think it's a big enough area to qualify as a "region" akin to Southern or Northern California, it's more similar in size to Chicagoland, The Bay Area or Washington-Baltimore.
It doesn't work like that. I can chop away countless census tracts from Dallas MSA, bringing it down to below 10,000 km2 losing only 200k inhabitants or so. Dallas is kinda western metropolis and the urban development ceases quite abruptly outside the urban footprint there are only prairies.

If you do the same exercise elsewhere, I put the whole Philadelphia MSA inside 31,000 km2 New York region, or Milwaukee, Rockford, South Bend all inside Chicago.

Toronto+Hamilton+Oshawa+Guelph are perfectly comparable with US MSAs and even some CSAs.
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The inner Core of the Golden Horseshoe is only 3,898.65 sq mi (10,097.45 km2) with a population of 7,759,635 as of the 2021 census. The Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex has an area of 8,675 sq mi (22,468 km2) with a population of 7,637,387.
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For those of us who know the area, the inner core would extend from where to where (east to west, and how far north)?
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With all Toronto figures, it depends on what you want to consider Toronto, since Guelph was added above then Kitchener-waterloo and Barrie can equally be considered Toronto, this would add another million to the Toronto number, as Toronto is surrounded by many large metro areas. The greater golden horseshoe also recently passed 10 million which is what most people consider the widest diffintion of Toronto.
That's kind of like the (San Francisco) Bay Area. Strictly speaking, it's not an actual metro area (it's two, SF and San Jose) but for all intents and purposes, it acts as one. Like the Golden Horseshoe. Though being from Upstate NY, I never really saw the Niagara Falls area as really part of Toronto's orbit (other than the Leafs and Jays). Just its own thing.
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chicagoland, in terms of where the people live, is nowhere remotely close to 12,000 sq., miles in size.

sure, the CB's wacky-ass CSA definition now includes so many rural cornfield counties that it technically includes over 10,600 sq. miles, but that's an utterly absurd amount of land to consider as "chicagoland", with roughly 3/4 of of it literally cornfields.

i mean, how much time have you ever spent in jasper, or newton, or kankakee, or dekalb, or grundy, or putnam, or lasalle, or bureau counties? they're all straight-up cornbelt with a relative handful of super-commuters that allow them to barely jump the threshold for inclusion into the MSA/CSA.



for a realistic picture for how big chicagoland actually is in terms of physical size, the UA definition is billions of times more accurate.

now, because the CB still hasn't released 2020 UA figures, we have to go back to 2010, but because chicagoland is such a slow-growing area, these figures are still good enough for our purposes here.

Chicago UA: 8,608,208 people on 2,442.8 sq. miles of land
Round Lake UA: 290,373 people on 152.6 sq. miles of land

Combined: 8,898,581 people on 2,595.4 sq. miles of land



now, some might argue that the kenosha UA should be added in there too, as it directly abuts the chicago UA and has metra service into downtown, but i don't like including anything north of the cheddar curtain.

for those who insist, here's kenosha. it doesn't move the numbers a great deal.

Kenosha UA: 124,064 people on 51.2 sq. miles of land.



so in rough terms, we can say that chicagoland is a city of 9M people on 2,600 sq. miles of land. all of those other thousands and thousands of sq. miles in the MSA/CSA definitions are primarily just cornfields surrounding the urban area.
I made a "tailored Chicago metro area" on the other thread that Steely didn't care so much:

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That's for Steely who doesn't like Chicago MSA and its cornfields:

---------------------- 2020 -------- 2010 -------- 2000 -------- 1990 --------- Area --------------- Growth % ---------- Density

CHICAGO --------- 8,977,679 --- 8,835,910 --- 8,568,905 --- 7,727,231 ---- 8,590 km² ---- 1.6% ---- 3.1% --- 10.9% ---- 1,045.1 inh./km²

- Chicago is the whole Cook, Du Page and Lake, IL counties. For the others, I used census "minor civil divisions" as units: Kane without the 1/3 western part (minus 5 divisions), Kendall with only 2 divisions (basically Oswego), McHenry without the western half (minus 9 divisions), Will without the 1/3 southern part (minus 9 divisions), Lake, IN without the 1/3 southern part (minus 3 divisions) and Porter with only 1 division (basically Portage). You can see the maps on citypopulation.de

That's 3,300 sq mi for a 2,700 inh/sq mi density. It's very close to Chicago's urban area. It's a 9 million people city.
9 million people in 8,600 km2 as opposed to 7.7 million in 10,100 km2 in "the core Golden Horseshoe" mentioned by softee above.

And we should keep in mind US urban areas are much less dense than Canadians, so it's only natural that they take more space.
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For those of us who know the area, the inner core would extend from where to where (east to west, and how far north)?
CMAs of Toronto, Hamilton, Oshawa and Guelph combined covers 8,775 km2. That's what I've used on my list for a 7,568,308 (2021 Census).

Here it's a map with all their boundaries: https://www.citypopulation.de/en/canada/agglo/. Toronto CMA, for instance, goes up to the Lake Simcoe up north.
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Commute rates between Kitchener and Toronto are incredibly low. Someone posted here once and it's about 3% or so whereas the US threshold for CSA is 15% and for MSA 25%.

They're almost 120 km a part, that's almost Chicago and Milwaukee or New York and Philadelphia, but with much less sprawl and people than the American ones. Even adding Guelph was a bit generous.
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Forgive the nitpicking, but Google says 107km if you measure from Toronto City Hall to Kitchener City Hall.

Further, if you measure (using Google) the distance from the Toronto border to the first Kitchener interchange on the Highway 401, its 72km.

That may or may not change how you would choose to classify the area, but its enough of a difference from your statement to be noteworthy.

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Steely likes to argue for contiguous urban area for measuring. I happen think all measures are subjective; and there really is only one fair comparison.

Which is a set number of km2/miles2 and the number of people who live there.

It is, or it is not.

There's no real arguing except where 2 large urban centres overlap and you wish to choose to divide them as separate.
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Houston grew ~2x as fast as Toronto this past decade so HTX should surpass TO within the next 10-15 years or so. Either way, Toronto likely won't catch up to Dallas. If ever.
The official population projection for DFW, in 2060, is 13,000,000 so far as I can tell.

The projection for the Greater Golden Horsehoe is 15,000,000 in 2051; and thus far, the estimates are usually on the low side.

https://www.ontariocanada.com/regist...chmentId=44058

P. 17 shows the projections for core area as well, as defined by the province of Ontario, which is the GTHA (Greater Toronto and Hamilton area).

That projection shows 11.17M in 2051 and shows an estimated growth rate of
just over 9% by the last decade in the projection.

That would peg the number at something like 12.2M in 2060.

But keep in mind, those estimates have been wrong on the low side for awhile now.
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Which is a set number of km2/miles2 and the number of people who live there.
That's fine.

But 12,000 sq. miles is not a "city" or a metro area, that's a region, and those are just less interesting to me because I'm a "city" person.
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Forgive the nitpicking, but Google says 107km if you measure from Toronto City Hall to Kitchener City Hall.

Further, if you measure (using Google) the distance from the Toronto border to the first Kitchener interchange on the Highway 401, its 72km.

That may or may not change how you would choose to classify the area, but its enough of a difference from your statement to be noteworthy.

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It's too far away, specially for Canada where urban footprints are much denser.

BTW, Campinas (3 million people) and São Paulo (21 million people) are 95 km away and have Jundiaí (800k) in the middle. Everybody regards them as separate metro areas despite the massive daily traffic between them through Anhanguera and Bandeirantes highways.


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Steely likes to argue for contiguous urban area for measuring. I happen think all measures are subjective; and there really is only one fair comparison.

Which is a set number of km2/miles2 and the number of people who live there.

It is, or it is not.

There's no real arguing except where 2 large urban centres overlap and you wish to choose to divide them as separate.
It's all subjective but we can make educated guesses specially if we're really interested on making a comprehensive definition instead of "I want to make my city to look better/bigger".
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And as Mexicans also conducted their census, let's bring them to the mix:

------------------ 2020/2021 ------- 2010/2011 ------- 2000/2001 ------- 1990/1991

CANADA ------------- 36,991,981 ---- 33,476,688 ---- 30,007,094 ---- 27,296,859 --- 10.5% --- 11.6% ---- 9.9%

UNITED STATES ----- 331,449,281 --- 308,745,538 --- 281,421,906 --- 248,709,873 ---- 7.3% ---- 9.7% --- 13.2%

MEXICO ------------ 126,014,024 --- 112,336,538 ---- 97,483,412 ---- 81,249,645 --- 12.2% --- 15.2% --- 20.0%



------------------ 2020/2021 ------- 2010/2011 ------- 2000/2001 ------- 1990/1991

Mexico City ------- 22.727.239 --- 20.834.850 --- 18.941.600 --- 15.980.745 ----- 9,10% ---- 10,00% ---- 18,50%

New York ---------- 22.692.839 --- 21.358.372 --- 20.675.403 --- 19.083.415 ----- 6,25% ----- 3,30% ----- 8,34%

Los Angeles ------- 18.644.680 --- 17.877.006 --- 16.373.645 --- 14.531.529 ----- 4,29% ----- 9,18% ---- 12,68%

Chicago ------------ 9.618.502 ---- 9.461.105 ---- 9.098.314 ---- 8.182.076 ----- 1,66% ----- 3,99% ---- 11,20%

San Francisco ------ 8.036.501 ---- 7.413.121 ---- 7.039.362 ---- 6.253.311 ----- 8,41% ----- 5,31% ---- 12,57%

Dallas ------------- 7.637.387 ---- 6.366.542 ---- 5.156.217 ---- 3.984.437 ---- 19,96% ---- 23,47% ---- 29,41%


Toronto ------------ 7.568.308 ---- 6.801.391 ---- 5.758.940 ---- 4.827.910 ---- 11,30% ---- 18,10% ---- 19,30%

Houston ------------ 7.122.240 ---- 5.920.416 ---- 4.693.161 ---- 3.750.883 ---- 20,30% ---- 26,15% ---- 25,12%

Philadelphia ------- 6.245.051 ---- 5.965.353 ---- 5.687.147 ---- 5.435.468 ----- 4,69% ----- 4,89% ----- 4,63%

Miami -------------- 6.138.333 ---- 5.564.635 ---- 5.007.564 ---- 4.056.100 ---- 10,31% ---- 11,12% ---- 23,46%

Washington --------- 6.105.431 ---- 5.388.326 ---- 4.635.194 ---- 3.997.373 ---- 13,31% ---- 16,25% ---- 15,96%

Boston ------------- 6.095.791 ---- 5.628.532 ---- 5.410.915 ---- 5.075.440 ----- 8,30% ----- 4,02% ----- 6,61%

Atlanta ------------ 6.089.815 ---- 5.286.728 ---- 4.263.438 ---- 3.082.308 ---- 15,19% ---- 24,00% ---- 38,32%


Monterrey ---------- 5.341.177 ---- 4.226.031 ---- 3.426.352 ---- 2.704.299 ---- 26,40% ---- 23,30% ---- 26,70%

Detroit ------------ 5.325.319 ---- 5.218.852 ---- 5.357.538 ---- 5.095.695 ----- 2,04% ---- -2,59% ----- 5,14%

Guadalajara -------- 5.268.642 ---- 4.521.755 ---- 3.772.833 ---- 3.058.220 ---- 16,50% ---- 19,90% ---- 23,40%

Seattle ------------ 4.871.272 ---- 4.199.312 ---- 3.707.144 ---- 3.088.224 ---- 16,00% ---- 13,28% ---- 20,04%

Phoenix ------------ 4.845.832 ---- 4.192.887 ---- 3.251.876 ---- 2.238.480 ---- 15,57% ---- 28,94% ---- 45,27%


Montreal ----------- 4.291.732 ---- 3.824.221 ---- 3.426.350 ---- 3.127.242 ---- 12,20% ---- 11,60% ----- 9,60%

Puebla ------------- 3.769.838 ---- 3.228.357 ---- 2.678.396 ---- 2.080.663 ---- 16,80% ---- 20,50% ---- 28,70%

Minneapolis -------- 3.635.128 ---- 3.279.833 ---- 2.968.806 ---- 2.538.834 ---- 10,83% ---- 10,48% ---- 16,94%

Denver ------------- 3.623.560 ---- 3.090.874 ---- 2.610.343 ---- 2.008.684 ---- 17,23% ---- 18,41% ---- 29,95%

San Diego ---------- 3.298.634 ---- 3.095.313 ---- 2.813.833 ---- 2.498.016 ----- 6,57% ---- 10,00% ---- 12,64%

Tampa -------------- 3.175.275 ---- 2.783.243 ---- 2.395.998 ---- 2.067.959 ---- 14,09% ---- 16,16% ---- 15,86%


Vancouver ---------- 2.838.551 ---- 2.483.519 ---- 2.134.335 ---- 1.712.502 ---- 14,30% ---- 16,40% ---- 24,60%

Baltimore ----------- 2.794.636 ---- 2.662.691 ---- 2.512.431 ---- 2.348.221 ----- 4,96% ----- 5,98% ----- 6,99%

Cleveland ----------- 2.790.470 ---- 2.780.440 ---- 2.843.103 ---- 2.759.823 ----- 0,36% ---- -2,20% ----- 3,02%

St. Louis ----------- 2.754.124 ---- 2.717.079 ---- 2.648.607 ---- 2.492.525 ----- 1,36% ----- 2,59% ----- 6,26%



Mexican TFR got just below replacement level (Brazil is already there for the past 16 years), but immigration to the US declined, hence they're not slowing down very fast.

Mexico City just overtook New York as the biggest city in North America. Their growth rate is now closer to the national average than it was on the past decade;

Monterrey explosive growth coupled with their economic might will make them even more proeminent in the future. At this pace, by 2030, it will be way above 6 million by 2030;

Guadalajara, despite losing its position as the 2nd city, posts a strong growth.
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The official population projection for DFW, in 2060, is 13,000,000 so far as I can tell.

The projection for the Greater Golden Horsehoe is 15,000,000 in 2051; and thus far, the estimates are usually on the low side.

https://www.ontariocanada.com/regist...chmentId=44058

P. 17 shows the projections for core area as well, as defined by the province of Ontario, which is the GTHA (Greater Toronto and Hamilton area).

That projection shows 11.17M in 2051 and shows an estimated growth rate of
just over 9% by the last decade in the projection.

That would peg the number at something like 12.2M in 2060.

But keep in mind, those estimates have been wrong on the low side for awhile now.
Just wait. All those people who moved up there will suddenly realize it's cold as hell up there and move down to Dallas where you don't have to wear pants in March.
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Just wait. All those people who moved up there will suddenly realize it's cold as hell up there and move down to Dallas where you don't have to wear pants in March.
I didn't know Dallas has a kinky season.
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