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Old Posted May 14, 2023, 9:52 PM
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I guess the wealthy pocket only makes up a small part of the census tract? Per capita incomes may be quite a bit higher than median HH income.
True

I looked back at the Justice Map and I counted 18 or 19 Census Tracts between downtown and North Buffalo that have both wealthy and less wealthy neighborhoods within them, with no single tract showing a medium income as "wealthy." But, one can still travel several miles from downtown north through contiguous wealthy and upper middle class neighborhoods.

When looking at the wealthiest Zip Codes in the county, 2 of the top 10 are within the city limits, per a Business First review that "compared data from the five-year version of the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2019 American Community Survey, the most current source of data at the local level, with national averages in 12 different categories including income, education and home values." 7 out of the 10 wealthiest Zip Codes are in a wedge that extends from downtown Buffalo north and northeast into the towns of Amherst and Clarence. So I suppose that wedge best represents the "favored quarter" of the Buffalo area.

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Montreal has a sharp east/west split, with west traditionally being more affluent and anglophone.

The favored quarter would probably run from roughly McGill University to the suburban municipality of Montreal West. It includes Westmount as well as as Outremont, The Town of Mount Royal and the municipality of Hampstead.

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Montreal has a sharp east/west split, with west traditionally being more affluent and anglophone.

The favored quarter would probably run from roughly McGill University to the suburban municipality of Montreal West. It includes Westmount as well as as Outremont, The Town of Mount Royal and the municipality of Hampstead.

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yeah thats my impression, basically all around mt royal, expect for the scubby hipster east end of it along blvd laurent.
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Old Posted May 30, 2023, 12:28 PM
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I’d say the East Side, particularly south of East Genesee Street and roughly around/east of Westcott Street/Ostrom Avenue(south of Euclid Avenue). This is for Syracuse NY, btw.

Some may live in outer areas on the other sides of town as well, which can have an old money feel to them.
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Old Posted May 30, 2023, 7:49 PM
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So like in Rochester - a favored east?
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2023, 12:32 AM
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Unlike many cities, which have the standard east/west wealth divide, Dayton's favored quarter is due south of downtown. The reason for this southern migration of wealth can be contributed directly to a single event - the catastrophic flood of 1913.

For Dayton's early history, wealthy homes were primarily built directly west of downtown, between Perry Street and the sweeping bend in the Great Miami River. Many of the grandest mansions lined Robert Boulevard, which sat on top of one of the city's levees. Development west of the river was still fairly minimal in the early 20th century, although some wealthy families had begun to build homes on the slope northwest of downtown, in the neighborhoods of Grafton Hill, Five Oaks and Dayton View.



The south of downtown was even more scarcely developed, being on the opposite side of the massive National Cash Register factory and up a fairly steep slope. A streetcar ran to the southern hills, but it was fairly lightly used. The general pattern of "west = wealthy" held up until 1913, when the flood destroyed much of the downtown area. Most of those homes were divided into flophouses and apartments and the neighborhood was almost entirely razed during a series of urban renewal projects in the 60s and 70s. Only two homes remain.



Obviously, after having their homes and possessions ruined by the floodwaters, Dayton's elites began to decamp the old neighborhood west of downtown. Although many moved northwest along Salem Avenue to the aforementioned neighborhood, there was an even more magnetic pull toward the south thanks to the lobbying of Dayton's most powerful citizen, NCR president John H Patterson. John had built his estate, "Far Hills", in the then-sleepy backwater village of Oakwood at the top of the southern hill. After the flood, however, Oakwood's elevated location became a selling point, and Patterson was able to lure his managers and engineers up the hill to live near him. Patterson was a notoriously controlling boss and he liked to keep his underlings close-at-hand, even at home. Patterson's legacy on the city was so great that the main road through the city was named Far Hills Avenue after his house and the city's southernmost border parallels Dorothy Lane, which was named after his daughter. Oakwood received some additional cache when Dayton's most famous son, Orville Wright, build his house "Hawthorne Hill" on a prominent rise in the middle of the quickly-expanding city.



So what happened to that other wealthy pocket along Salem Avenue, to the northwest? Its neighborhoods were also elevated, which initially led to significant population growth in that direction. It eventually would become the heart of Dayton's Jewish community, because the new city of Oakwood to the south had racial covenants in place that forbade Jews from buying homes there. Those same covenants also prevented Blacks from purchasing in the area, and as was the case in many other rust belt cities, African Americans began moving into the Jewish areas after WWII. The Jewish community somewhat ironically shifted to Oakwood, where it remains to this day. The neighborhoods of the Salem corridor have suffered many injustices over the past 50+ years, particularly at the height of the crack epidemic in the 80s. But the area is significantly safer today and various stakeholders are working to try and revitalize the neighborhood and some of its stately homes. Unfortunately, the most architecturally significant home in the neighborhood, the Traxler Mansion, was recently lost to arson.

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This could be Dayton's acropolis.
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So like in Rochester - a favored east?
Yes, it is similar. I’d say it is due to proximity to colleges in the city.
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for San Francisco. The downtown is in the Northeast section. The favored quadrant is definitely the northern areas (from Seacliff, Marina, Pacific Heights to Nob Hill) and central area (Ashbury Heights, Noe Valley, Dolores Heights)

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Per Capita Income

Marin $78,995
San Francisco $77,267
San Mateo $69,919
Alameda $53,815
Contra Costa $53,656

Marin is the wealthiest suburban county but also by far the smallest. The wealthiest suburbs (such as Atherton) are in San Mateo I think.

East Bay is traditionally more working class.

Overall it's a very affluent metro.
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