UC survey finds Californians aren't leaving the state any more than usual

[TWAK]

Originally Posted by Camelback

Whatever you say d00d.

It's finally confirmed that there is no such mass exodus of Californians, as some of the news stations were lying about. There would be more houses, for starters, if everybody was fleeing the state.

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by badrunner

According to those numbers it's a net migration of 35,000 per year which is less than 0.1% of the population. Not exactly a mass exodus.

Exactly. Like I said, if you tell certain people these percentages, they lose their shit. Because they've been lied to and don't want to accept it.

There's way more former New Yorkers living in other cities for the same reason. There's just so many of them. But the actual perentage of New Yorkers moving is probably small too.

[ocman]

I expect California’s population to recover somewhat now that Trump’s anti-immigration policies are on its last leg. If Biden takes down a lot of the barriers and immigration goes back to normal, then California should still be the country’s most important immigration destination.

[RST500]

Originally Posted by ocman

I expect California’s population to recover somewhat now that Trump’s anti-immigration policies are on its last leg. If Biden takes down a lot of the barriers and immigration goes back to normal, then California should still be the country’s most important immigration destination.

Ideally California should try to appeal more to people from the rest of the nation and give generous tax incentives for former Californians to move back.

With immigration groups it depends which group favors California. For instance with Central America, only Guatemalans favor California and with India it depends on the group, Punjabis the most.

[IMBY]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if they abolished the CA Coastal Commission, disallowing high rises on the CA coastline, and instituted Houston's no zoning in, particular, San Fran-Nimby-o and L.A. , you could get more people to move there.

[badrunner]

Originally Posted by IMBY

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if they abolished the CA Coastal Commission, disallowing high rises on the CA coastline, and instituted Houston's no zoning in, particular, San Fran-Nimby-o and L.A. , you could get more people to move there.

Only developers want to abolish the Coastal Commission. This is a good way to ruin a perfectly good beach: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8467...7i13312!8i6656

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by badrunner

Only developers want to abolish the Coastal Commission. This is a good way to ruin a perfectly good beach: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.8467...7i13312!8i6656

Yea, the highrises on most beachfronts in this country are pretty bad. They're not fun to walk around.
La is better off building those highrises near downtown, Hollywood, century city etc, which they're doing. Just not enough.

[Xing]

I’ve been here since 2017, and I have no interest in going back.

[mhays]

That Virginia Beach spot actually looks pretty good. And here's San Sebastian as another example: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.3164...7i16384!8i8192

I'm jealous.

[badrunner]

Originally Posted by mhays

That Virginia Beach spot actually looks pretty good. And here's San Sebastian as another example: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.3164...7i16384!8i8192

I'm jealous.

At least those buildings are the same height as the other buildings further in. The city just happens to touch the coast (not unlike how California treats the coastline). It's not the same as a single row of out-of-scale towers desperately hugging the coast.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Originally Posted by IMBY

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if they abolished the CA Coastal Commission, disallowing high rises on the CA coastline, and instituted Houston's no zoning in, particular, San Fran-Nimby-o and L.A. , you could get more people to move there.

absolutely no thanks

[Obadno]

Yes I'm sure all of the people who have noticed the exodus of Californians to Texas, AZ, Oregon and Nevada are just republicans or buying into a lie.

Surely the UC system would not have an incentive to downplay any bad news about California or the policies therein.

I dont need UC to show me that I am wrong, I am working right now from a company that fled the costs San Francisco in the owners own words that's what happened. Many Thousands of others have made the same decision

[homebucket]

^ That's not really surprising. I assume your company is in the business of making money. Your employer wanted cheaper rent and to pay you and your coworkers less than they would've had to pay workers in CA, and there's nothing wrong with that. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if there was another company that happily took its place. As long as we continue to incubate, companies leaving is not really a problem.

[craigs]

Originally Posted by IMBY

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if they abolished the CA Coastal Commission, disallowing high rises on the CA coastline, and instituted Houston's no zoning in, particular, San Fran-Nimby-o and L.A. , you could get more people to move there.

And Californians still reject your proposal to Texafy the state, no matter how many times you restate it. There is no good reason to trash our coastline with crappy development just to attract hordes of new residents who we don't need in the first place.

And in what universe would ocean-front condos, especially in the most attractive and pricey areas, lower housing costs for--or in any other way benefit--the state's 40M current residents? Such developments would function as commodities, snapped up in bulk as a safe harbor for foreign investment and/or turned into AirBnB beach vacation rentals.

Originally Posted by Obadno

Yes I'm sure all of the people who have noticed the exodus of Californians to Texas, AZ, Oregon and Nevada are just republicans or buying into a lie.

What is apparently so noticeable and seems so massive to people in less populated locales turns out to be a tiny percentage of California's population, and apparently the outflow has not changed much in recent years. Anecdotes are not data.

Surely the UC system would not have an incentive to downplay any bad news about California or the policies therein.

If you have anything to back up your cynical conjecture then produce it. The UC has more credibility on this issue than you do.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by IMBY

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if they abolished the CA Coastal Commission, disallowing high rises on the CA coastline, and instituted Houston's no zoning in, particular, San Fran-Nimby-o and L.A. , you could get more people to move there.

Yeah but the goal isn't to have the most people possible in the state, rather it should be to keep the state a nice place to live for the residents who are there.

So, you just discovered that destroying California's appeal would make it more affordable. That's not rocket science.

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by The North One

Lol just ignore him, he's been like this for years. His google streetview games are always in bad faith. He's also from Ohio so I think that explains a lot.

Originally Posted by craigs

And Californians still reject your proposal to Texafy the state, no matter how many times you restate it. There is no good reason to trash our coastline with crappy development just to attract hordes of new residents who we don't need in the first place.

And in what universe would ocean-front condos, especially in the most attractive and pricey areas, lower housing costs for--or in any other way benefit--the state's 40M current residents? Such developments would function as commodities, snapped up in bulk as a safe harbor for foreign investment and/or turned into AirBnB beach vacation rentals.


What is apparently so noticeable and seems so massive to people in less populated locales turns out to be a tiny percentage of California's population, and apparently the outflow has not changed much in recent years. Anecdotes are not data.


If you have anything to back up your cynical conjecture then produce it. The UC has more credibility on this issue than you do.

I'm not even sure how 50 story condos improves Santa Monica or Manhattan Beach anyway. Would it increase tourism? Economy? No.
I'd rather they expand their walkable commercial districts.

And yes, it's a tiny percentage of Californians actually leaving, to the horror of Texans and Arizona residents.
It's just insane hyperbole at this point.

[JManc]

Are more people moving into the CV because I own property there and all of a sudden I am getting bombarded with unsolicited offers on them.

[Pedestrian]

Originally Posted by JManc

Are more people moving into the CV because I own property there and all of a sudden I am getting bombarded with unsolicited offers on them.

Yes . . . developers. Because there's not much land available west of the coastal hills and too many development restrictions that add too much cost for many people to afford.


https://www.kbhome.com/new-homes-cen...BoCblkQAvD_BwE

The Stockton/Manteca/Tracy/Lathrop area is especially popular because of the ACE (Altamonte Corridor Express) commuter rail line to Silicon Valley (with connections to BART and SF):


https://www.mantecabulletin.com/news...rail-hearings/

Where's your land?

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Originally Posted by JManc

Are more people moving into the CV because I own property there and all of a sudden I am getting bombarded with unsolicited offers on them.

I believe fresno and the surrounding area was tht hottest real estate market by some measure earlier this year

[sopas ej]

I'm already anticipating another real estate crash; prices can't be going up forever, right? Things happen in cycles, I've lived long enough to see booms and busts and booms and busts...