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Old Posted Jan 20, 2022, 7:27 PM
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In WASP culture it's the opposite.

This is the McBain House, one of Sherbrooke's nicest Victorians:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4060...7i13312!8i6656



And here's what a peek behind that green curtain would show:

http://www.histoiresherbrooke.ca/sheet.php?uid=23106
http://www.histoiresherbrooke.ca/sheet.php?uid=23105
That's a bit extreme, at least by my standards!

I love this house located diagonally across the boulevard!

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4055...7i13312!8i6656
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Old Posted Jan 20, 2022, 7:45 PM
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A lot of Asians (esp. South Asians) have this mindset. They can't understand why you would want "to hide your house".

Conspicuous consumption matters more to newcomers that like to showcase their success in their adopted homelands.
That's an interesting angle.

It's said that widely-shared prosperity for French Canadians only arrived in the late 60s and 70s.

It could be that there is still on the part of some a residual mindset of showing off your nice house to demonstrate that you've "made it".
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^makes sense. When the pattern was pointed out to me, I realized "of course" but previously I could not discern why many immigrants abhorred large trees in front of their homes.
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It could be that there is still on the part of some a residual mindset of showing off your nice house to demonstrate that you've "made it".
In Metro Detroit, it's common for higher income Middle Eastern immigrants to build large, arguably gaudy homes on major arterials.

This is kind of odd in a Midwest WASPy context in that you usually want to be away from major roads, in a quiet, secluded location. But these homes are front-and-center, on giant roadways. And Metro Detroit has no shortage of giant arterials.

Homes like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/30...!4d-83.2821245

These are newish homes fronting on an 6-8-lane high-speed highway, with 24/7 truck traffic. It's like living directly on an interstate.
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2022, 7:12 PM
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In Metro Detroit, it's common for higher income Middle Eastern immigrants to build large, arguably gaudy homes on major arterials.

This is kind of odd in a Midwest WASPy context in that you usually want to be away from major roads, in a quiet, secluded location. But these homes are front-and-center, on giant roadways. And Metro Detroit has no shortage of giant arterials.

Homes like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/30...!4d-83.2821245

These are newish homes fronting on an 6-8-lane high-speed highway, with 24/7 truck traffic. It's like living directly on an interstate.

can confirm -- i distinctly remember a college conversation talking to a metro detroit AA roomate about her house and her saying it was on a busy road and that it only had "a few pillars in front."
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2022, 7:16 PM
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^ Lol that's ridiculous. Not just the house, but that people are allowed to live on the side of the freeway like that. In LA, you get the "Persian Palace" phenomenon all over the place, where oversized, ostentatious homes are built in neighborhoods of little bungalows.

https://la.curbed.com/2016/12/1/1356...persian-palace
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2022, 7:18 PM
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In Metro Detroit, it's common for higher income Middle Eastern immigrants to build large, arguably gaudy homes on major arterials.

This is kind of odd in a Midwest WASPy context in that you usually want to be away from major roads, in a quiet, secluded location. But these homes are front-and-center, on giant roadways. And Metro Detroit has no shortage of giant arterials.

Homes like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/30...!4d-83.2821245

These are newish homes fronting on an 6-8-lane high-speed highway, with 24/7 truck traffic. It's like living directly on an interstate.
oh wow, median barrier and everything. Can't even turn left out of your driveway!

Yea I have to feel those people want to be there to "Show" their wealth. Nuts, dead opposite desires for me, but I fit that WASP mold pretty much perfectly so it makes sense.

The lack of trees in Italian and southern European areas is definitely noticeable. If there are any trees, they aren't more than 10ft high or so. Often times the houses will be immaculately landscaped, but with barely a tree in sight.

So is the general lack of landscaping interest in many new immigrant communities, even if they don't have an aversion to trees to the same extent. Heavily Asian areas of the suburban GTA are famous for poor landscaping maintenance.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8568...7i16384!8i8192

Uncut lawns are incredibly common in Markham, a dominantly east asian area, yet extremely rare if not unheard of in almost any primarily Caucasian neighbourhood. Look up and down that street, probably 1/5 houses doesn't have it's yard cut. I wonder if it's because of a greater dominance of investment properties, cultural differences, or what?

The dominantly Italian area of Hamilton, Lower Stoney Creek, is full of houses like this:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2242...7i13312!8i6656

Very well manicured, but not large trees.

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WOW. right on the fucking highway! Who the hell would want that?
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2022, 7:58 PM
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In Metro Detroit, it's common for higher income Middle Eastern immigrants to build large, arguably gaudy homes on major arterials.

This is kind of odd in a Midwest WASPy context in that you usually want to be away from major roads, in a quiet, secluded location. But these homes are front-and-center, on giant roadways. And Metro Detroit has no shortage of giant arterials.

Homes like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/30...!4d-83.2821245

These are newish homes fronting on an 6-8-lane high-speed highway, with 24/7 truck traffic. It's like living directly on an interstate.
It must be fun trying to get in and out of those driveways with traffic coming at 65 MPH.
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It must be fun trying to get in and out of those driveways with traffic coming at 65 MPH.
Yeah, I have no clue how these folks get out of their driveways. And no clue how this got approved. Sounds like a death wish.

Telegraph Rd. traffic is fast and heavy, and the homes are even built on a bend in the roadway, so visibility sucks.
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^ yeah, telegraph rd is the main road down to toledo that isnt I-75.
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^ yeah, telegraph rd is the main road down to toledo that isnt I-75.
One good thing about living there is that the sound is soothing on rainy days, especially when the semi convoys pass by.
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2022, 10:53 PM
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Homes like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/30...!4d-83.2821245

These are newish homes fronting on an 6-8-lane high-speed highway, with 24/7 truck traffic. It's like living directly on an interstate.
Holy shit, I have never seen anything that ridiculous.
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In Metro Detroit, it's common for higher income Middle Eastern immigrants to build large, arguably gaudy homes on major arterials.

This is kind of odd in a Midwest WASPy context in that you usually want to be away from major roads, in a quiet, secluded location. But these homes are front-and-center, on giant roadways. And Metro Detroit has no shortage of giant arterials.

Homes like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/30...!4d-83.2821245

These are newish homes fronting on an 6-8-lane high-speed highway, with 24/7 truck traffic. It's like living directly on an interstate.
Those are often the cheapest parcels available, and they are choosing to put more into the house than the land because location doesn’t matter as much if you never plan on selling to someone for whom location would matter. These are often family homes built for larger extended families intended to be kept for generations.
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I hope those future generations don't mind the roadway being further extended onto their property, so the semi-trucks can barrel down just feet from their grandkids' bedrooms.

The noise must be deafening. My parents live relatively near, and you can hear the highway traffic from a mile away at night. Huge trucks galore, since there are major auto plants and suppliers just to the north. The homes must be constantly shaking.

It's just dumb. Metro Detroit doesn't lack for affordable property to build large multigenerational homes.
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In Metro Detroit, it's common for higher income Middle Eastern immigrants to build large, arguably gaudy homes on major arterials.

This is kind of odd in a Midwest WASPy context in that you usually want to be away from major roads, in a quiet, secluded location. But these homes are front-and-center, on giant roadways. And Metro Detroit has no shortage of giant arterials.

Homes like this:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/30...!4d-83.2821245

These are newish homes fronting on an 6-8-lane high-speed highway, with 24/7 truck traffic. It's like living directly on an interstate.
When I read your post I was thinking about homes on busy 6 lane arterial roads which is fairly common as cities grew from their small footprints into massive suburban cities, but after clicking on the street view link, nope, it's a full blown divided highway with 18 wheeler trucks. That's insane!!
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That's a bit extreme, at least by my standards!

I love this house located diagonally across the boulevard!

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4055...7i13312!8i6656
It's okay I guess, but there are nicer Second Empire examples IMO, such as this nearby one:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4071...7i13312!8i6656

Here's another example of someone in Sherbrooke's "Old North" neighborhood who wants every passerby to admire his Victorian mansion. Gotta show the world that you've arrived!

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4035...7i13312!8i6656

The polar opposite of those McMansions in Bloomfield Twp MI that Crawford showed us!
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Those are often the cheapest parcels available, and they are choosing to put more into the house than the land because location doesn’t matter as much if you never plan on selling to someone for whom location would matter. These are often family homes built for larger extended families intended to be kept for generations.
Completely disagree. When you're building a mansion, the price of the parcel is basically irrelevant; a rounding error.

Location, location, location.
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Yeah, I have no clue how these folks get out of their driveways. And no clue how this got approved. Sounds like a death wish.

Telegraph Rd. traffic is fast and heavy, and the homes are even built on a bend in the roadway, so visibility sucks.
To be fair, the speed limit is 50 mph and there are traffic lights regularly. It's far from a freeway. It's more like an urban boulevard.

(I'm nonetheless in total agreement with you, if I were to build that kind of house, I'd choose the location much more wisely!)
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50 mph isn't low speed for urban area.
There are urban freeway with the same speed limits.

Here it would need a slow lane for local traffic physically separated from the rest of the road.
I don't know the word to translate it in English but in French, it's called "contre-allée".
https://www.google.fr/maps/@48.11644...7i13312!8i6656
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