CHICAGO | General Developments - Page 2337

ChiPlanner · #**46721** Posted **Feb 5, 2020, 9:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by w.miles2000

What going on at 2100 south State Street

If you mean 2200 South State, it's Southbridge. Financing just closed for the Illinois Housing Development Authority's part in mid-January. Construction should be in full swing shortly

https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/10/3...-redevelopment

gebs · #**46722** Posted **Feb 5, 2020, 9:45 PM**

I hope this doesn't drive Reggie's out. That's my favorite concert venue.

w.miles2000 · #**46723** Posted **Feb 5, 2020, 9:45 PM**

What about the rest of the vacant lots South of 2200 S State

ChiTownWonder · #**46724** Posted **Feb 5, 2020, 9:50 PM**

I honestly don't mind the form of the east garfield park project, the retail base which appropriately fronts the sidewalk for the whole stretch but the residential massing broken up to avoid a hulking stretch of building. That corner is really strange however and I can see those colored panels becoming dingy and grimy really quick..

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Originally Posted by w.miles2000

What about the rest of the vacant lots South of 2200 S State

*See post #46861*

KWillChicago · #**46725** Posted **Feb 5, 2020, 11:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by gebs

I hope this doesn't drive Reggie's out. That's my favorite concert venue.

Isn't Reggies north of all of this? Can someone crop that image of this site circling what construction is going to happen and what is already there. Dont travel to that area that much.

SolarWind · #**46726** Posted **Feb 6, 2020, 2:17 AM**

February 5, 2020

ChiPlanner · #**46727** Posted **Feb 6, 2020, 3:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by KWillChicago

Isn't Reggies north of all of this? Can someone crop that image of this site circling what construction is going to happen and what is already there. Dont travel to that area that much.

Everything that is in color is what is happening. The only thing between Cermak/State/Dan Ryan, Stevenson right now is the school (just above the football field in white)

As-is, there is functionally nothing being demolished for this as it is the site of the former Ikes Homes- which were all demolished by a few years ago.

marothisu · #**46728** Posted **Feb 6, 2020, 11:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop

There's no reason the architecture needs to be bad. It's not necessary to take one for the team, design-wise to get some economic development here. This could be redesigned into something decent, or at least passable, for not a dollar more. Don't turn this into a false choice.

There's also no reason that architecture has to necessarily be good on every single project ever. Now, with a price tag like that they could probably get better architecture but I'm not going to complain if it's a catalyst for more development that way.

w.miles2000 · #**46729** Posted **Feb 6, 2020, 1:37 PM**

Do anyone know when the Taco Bell that on the South East corner of Garfield & Princeton in Englewood going to open up

jtown,man · #**46730** Posted **Feb 6, 2020, 3:10 PM**

I'm gonna take a really unpopular opinion here and say that as long as the form is good, I don't care about some duds. In fact, I think the duds help make the overall urban landscape more interesting and that can be really nice, actually.

Goose Island Guru · #**46731** Posted **Feb 6, 2020, 3:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Skyguy_7

^Absolutely.

Red brick and black-mullion windows, like your typical west loop loft, and a few structural tweaks would be no change in cost compared to this travesty of a design.

I don’t think you have any concept of how insanely expensive hand laid brick is. Hand laid brick is a significant cost premium on the best Class A projects and is done at the expense of other finishes on the project.

There is zero chance brick is no cost change to what was shown.

marothisu · #**46732** Posted **Feb 6, 2020, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by jtown,man

I'm gonna take a really unpopular opinion here and say that as long as the form is good, I don't care about some duds. In fact, I think the duds help make the overall urban landscape more interesting and that can be really nice, actually.

I actually agree, as long as there's not too many duds. To be able to know what good is, you have to also know evil. Same thing here - just my opinion though.

Skyguy_7 · #**46733** Posted **Feb 6, 2020, 8:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Goose Island Guru

I don’t think you have any concept of how insanely expensive hand laid brick is. Hand laid brick is a significant cost premium on the best Class A projects and is done at the expense of other finishes on the project.

There is zero chance brick is no cost change to what was shown.

I know hand-laid is pricey. I had something more like faux brick panels or whatever the factory-laid brick panels are called in mind. Is there a big cost difference between real and faux?

Forgive my ignorance, as I am in the HVAC industry.

Goose Island Guru · #**46734** Posted **Feb 6, 2020, 10:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Skyguy_7

I know hand-laid is pricey. I had something more like faux brick panels or whatever the factory-laid brick panels are called in mind. Is there a big cost difference between real and faux?

Forgive my ignorance, as I am in the HVAC industry.

The most cost effective is casting thin brick into precast concrete panels. The problem is the corner pieces are prohibitively expensive so you end up with a lot of brick in a single plane. Having nice inset windows becomes very expensive because of these pieces so the whole thing ends up looking flat.

The cost of the corner pieces makes it such that hand laid is comparatively expensive.

kolchak · #**46735** Posted **Feb 7, 2020, 1:31 AM**

https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/3/4/...-fire-mansions

from Curbed

UrbanLibertine · #**46736** Posted **Feb 7, 2020, 3:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by kolchak

https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/3/4/...-fire-mansions

from Curbed

Best news of the year so far, IMO!

west-town-brad · #**46737** Posted **Feb 7, 2020, 5:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by UrbanLibertine

Best news of the year so far, IMO!

I was under the impression a landmark district had to be continuous to qualify, but that may be for federal landmark status only.

killaviews · #**46738** Posted **Feb 7, 2020, 6:14 PM**

84 Unit apartment building from the Flats is about to start construction on Lawrence:
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/02...unit-building/

56 units on Clark, south of Wilson. Hopefully the neighbors don’t block this. Almost all of the wholesalers have left this stretch of Clark – it is in need of serious help.
https://www.uptownupdate.com/2020/02...o-see-new.html

Proposal to knock down a very nice building that contains Jimmy’s Pizza in Lincoln Square and build some ugly apartments. Developers seem to go out of their way to earn a bad reputation. The property includes a parking lot to the east – build on the lot, and preserve the classic building.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/01...incoln-square/

Baronvonellis · #**46739** Posted **Feb 7, 2020, 11:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by killaviews

84 Unit apartment building from the Flats is about to start construction on Lawrence:
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/02...unit-building/

56 units on Clark, south of Wilson. Hopefully the neighbors don’t block this. Almost all of the wholesalers have left this stretch of Clark – it is in need of serious help.
https://www.uptownupdate.com/2020/02...o-see-new.html

Proposal to knock down a very nice building that contains Jimmy’s Pizza in Lincoln Square and build some ugly apartments. Developers seem to go out of their way to earn a bad reputation. The property includes a parking lot to the east – build on the lot, and preserve the classic building.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/01...incoln-square/

OH NO, not Jimmy's Pizza!!! I love that place. The pizza and garlic knots are so good!

Plus, it's a great classic building with nice terra cotta ornament. The new building looks like crap, it doesn't face or hold the corner at all.
Why doesn't he tear down that crap strip mall kitty corner to Jimmy! I would be happy to see that go.
It sounds like Jimmy's will be forced out and have to move as well. And some boring Starbucks or national chain will go in there.

I live in the ward so I will write to the alderman.

Steely Dan · #**46740** Posted **Feb 7, 2020, 11:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Baronvonellis

Why doesn't he tear down that crap strip mall kitty corner to Jimmy! I would be happy to see that go.

or how about redvelopment of that utterly atrocious walgreens and its massive parking lot.

how come that shit always sticks around like a plague, but the nice vintage brick commercial building with terra cotta details (and it's great little neighrborhood pizza joint) gets tossed aside.

this town is just plain old fucking retarded at times.