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[TowerDude]

I don't like that this new Five World Trade Tower isn't directly attached to Liberty Park.

[NYguy]

LMDC coming together for the final piece of the puzzle...



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[JMKeynes]

[Busy Bee]

I don't hate it.

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

I don't hate it.

I’ve come to like it.

[TonyNYC]

5 WTC will be a nice addition to the WTC but it will not be complete until 2 WTC finally goes up.

Here's hoping that Lord Foster's redesign doesn't include the same lame ass elements he's incorporated into 15 Penn Plaza.

He need another icon at 2 WTC!!

[pico44]

Much better than some of its neighbors to the East and west. Good addition

[Raysiri]

Great news but shame that there will never be a new 6 World Trade Center.

[NYguy]

Hearing next week….

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by Raysiri

Great news but shame that there will never be a new 6 World Trade Center.

Why would it be missed? Wiki - Six World Trade Center was an eight-story building in Lower Manhattan in New York City.

[NYguy]

There was a public meeting today. Haven't heard anything from it.



https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/ar...d-trade-center

Joint Public Comment on the Proposed Amendment to the World Trade Center General Project Plan
ISSUE: 5 WORLD TRADE CENTERAFFORDABILITY


January 12, 2022

Comments of State Senator Brian Kavanagh, Congressman Jerrold Nadler, State Assembly Member Yuh-Line Niou, and Manhattan Borough President Mark Levine

To begin, we want to express our support for the goals of the proposed modification to expand the uses permitted at Site 5 to allow for the development of a mixed-use tower with residential, fitness, and community facility uses. We believe that a mixed-use residential tower at this site would be an appropriate addition to the Lower Manhattan community, most especially to the extent it provides for affordable housing.

We are aware, of course, that the current proposed development provides for 25% of the residential units to be permanently affordable. Over the past several months, we and many community advocates have strongly expressed the view that 25% is simply not enough, especially for a community that has been losing affordability at an alarming rate for many years.

We appreciated your participation--and that of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and New York State Homes and Community Renewal--at our virtual public forum to discuss affordability on December 9, 2021, and your commitments to working with us and the community on this issue.

We continue to maintain that maximizing affordability at this site must be a key priority, and that every effort should be made to consider various financing sources and other measures in order to ensure a maximum number of permanently affordable units. We recognize that the proposed amendment to the GPP calls for “a minimum of 25 percent” affordable units, and we ask that a sentence be included in the amendment that confirms that the agencies will make every effort to reach maximum affordability at the site.

The proposed amendment to the GPP also includes a draft set of mixed-use design guidelines that would be administered for any mixed-use development on the site. We believe that the mixed-use design guidelines as currently drafted are too restrictive and not sufficiently conducive to increasing affordability at the site.

The guidelines currently include language that mandates aspects of the building to a specific design, and may not provide enough flexibility to maximize the number of affordable units by making adjustments to lower construction or operating costs.

We request that the mixed-use design guidelines be revised to be more permissive in the variety of design options that may be considered and allow for the greatest flexibility possible when it is in the service of maximizing affordability.

The design guidelines also lay out the gsf distribution for potential scenarios envisioned for the mixed-use tower. In the maximum residential option, there is currently 36,000 gsf for a fitness and social center, and 13,000 gsf for a community facility. This neighborhood currently lacks sufficient public community spaces, especially dedicated senior spaces and recreational areas for students and children. Given that this will be a large residential building that is located in an increasingly mixed-use neighborhood, we hope to see increased community space to the extent feasible.

Similarly, there is currently 12,000 gsf for retail in the maximum residential option. As the neighborhood continues to become more residential, we ask that you prioritize community geared retail spaces, including potential options such as a grocery store or pharmacy.

...As the final piece of the World Trade Center to be rebuilt, we believe that Site 5 is a significant opportunity to bring large-scale affordable housing to Lower Manhattan and design a community-centered building that would enrich the lives of all who live and work in the area. We appreciate your consideration of these comments.

[NYguy]

Nothing official…


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[gramsjdg]

Looks decent to me.

[TowerDude]

This is not the place for residential buildings IMHO

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by TowerDude

This is not the place for residential buildings IMHO

I’ve always felt they should reserve it, or build the base of a tower with retail use, and the ability to build the full tower later. 2 WTC will eventually be built, and then what? What’s the game plan for future office construction Downtown, where residential conversions eat away at available office space. More mass demolition? You don’t need that Downtown. But people want something built now, and for the public to get something back from the state - more housing. (Imagine a call for more housing at the WTC pre 9/11).

[worldtrade2021]

The longer debate about whether to make this building consist of fully affordable housing or not drags on, the more likely it is that the start of construction of this building is delayed beyond 2023 (the current planned start date).
https://thevillagesun.com/competing-...ent-affordable

This is imo similar to how construction on the main site was delayed in earlier years because of people that lived in that area debating that the memorial site and towers weren't designed taking into account the people that lived there.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by worldtrade2021

The longer debate about whether to make this building consist of fully affordable housing or not drags on, the more likely it is that the start of construction of this building is delayed beyond 2023 (the current planned start date).
https://thevillagesun.com/competing-...ent-affordable

This is imo similar to how construction on the main site was delayed in earlier years because of people that lived in that area debating that the memorial site and towers weren't designed taking into account the people that lived there.

I don't think there is a serious debate as much as it is a desire for many that the affordable be 100%. Business is moving along as planned for the site. They can talk about making it 100% all day.

[worldtrade2021]

Originally Posted by NYguy

I don't think there is a serious debate as much as it is a desire for many that the affordable be 100%. Business is moving along as planned for the site. They can talk about making it 100% all day.

Yes and even if they were open to making it 100% affordable, the Port Authority has indicated they'd lose money on that deal
https://web.archive.org/web/20220125...ort-authority/

Looking through the plans from https://esd.ny.gov/sites/default/fil...te-5-MUDGs.pdf, it seems from the details on page 15 that there will actually be a connection to Liberty Park planned, just not at the first floor but instead the second floor lobby:

5WTC Draft Mixed-Use Design Guidelines
iii. Connection to Liberty Park
A pedestrian connection shall be provided from the upper level of Liberty Park located to the north of the Development Site to the second floor shared lobby. The portion of the pedestrian connection that is located on Liberty Park will be approved and permitted by the Port Authority.

The portion of the connection on the Development Site shall be located to provide a connection through the “Bridge Connection Zone” identified on Figure 4, and shall have a clear path with a minimum width of 10 feet and a minimum clear height of 10 feet from the surface of the pathway. The design character of the on-site connection shall be compatible with Liberty Park.

The pedestrian connection will connect to a shared lobby immediately adjacent to the entry doors and connect to the community facility with an elevator, and, if the community facility is located immediately above or below the shared lobby, it will connect with a communicating stair that is not less than five feet wide.

Wikipedia article on 5 World Trade Center currently says the tower is expected to begin construction in 2023 and be completed by 2028 (these links are cited for that assertion: https://commercialobserver.com/2021/...-trade-center/, https://newyorkyimby.com/2021/02/fiv...-district.html). That is around 5 years time but it took nearly 4 years for the shorter 7 WTC to be completed and also around 5 years (from groundbreaking in 2008 to opening in November 2013) for the similar height 4 WTC to be completed.

Nevertheless, alternate proposals for a fully affordable design of 5 WTC are due by February 12, 2022:

The group’s challenge comes in response to an early-December Port Authority public forum wherein the organization, which oversees the ongoing redevelopment of the site, explained that there was not sufficient state and federal funding to support developing the property, which is the only residential building on the site, completely along affordability lines. The alternative call-for-proposals asks only for simple rendering taken from the same KPF perspective as the KPF render that can be collected before the period of public comment ends on February 15th.

Plans are due on February 12th for the alternative design contest. A full brief will be provided at sign-up.

https://archinect.com/news/article/1...to-kpf-s-5-wtc

So whatever is ultimately decided should be known soon, nearly a year after plans to begin construction in 2023 of the mixed-use 5 WTC with the KPF design were announced.

Originally Posted by NYguy

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Very nice. This plan if it goes through will serve as an enlargement of the current Liberty Park plaza too in a way.

[worldtrade2021]

Meanwhile progress continues on the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, although the opening date is no longer certain to be Easter 2022 in April.

https://newyorkyimby.com/2022/03/st-...manhattan.html

The windows added to the west facade have glass that is reminiscent of the quality of glass that the original world trade center lobby glass had (https://utdr.utoledo.edu/islandora/object/utoledo:2852, https://www.toledoblade.com/news/Wor...s/200109110068). A nice change from the endless sea of (often sky blue colored) mirror curtain wall glass imo.

Originally Posted by jbermingham123

Exactly my thoughts. Yet another politician just revealed herself as a sociopath. This has to be one of the clearest cases I've seen of invoking 9/11 survivors for political purposes, without any regard for what they want or think.

I mean first of all, remember quite a lot of 9/11 survivors had jobs in.. wait for it.. the world trade center. These werent just any run-of-the-mill "paper-pushers", these were high-achieving, highly-educated people, working for presigious companies; not excactly the types looking for affordable housing. Obviously the first responder survivors are a different story, as are building staff survivors. But it just shows this woman literally didnt even think about 9/11 survivors she was pretending to care about before saying this.

Originally Posted by Crawford

Also, all 9-11 victim's families received a seven-figure payment, courtesy of the American taxpayer, on top of any life insurance, corporate or legal claims. Why would they also get a subsidized apartment on a superprime location in the middle of Manhattan?

Can the craven politicians please stop milking this horrible tragedy?

Also, why would you build a 100% subsidized housing tower on some of the most valuable land on the planet? Completely idiotic. The tower should be 100% market rate, and if politicians want subsidized housing, fine, put it on less valuable land.

All excellent points. I really hope that squabbling and politicizing the rebuilding process doesn't further delay the construction of 5 WTC. The Port Authority has even said they would lose money on such a deal of ensuring 100% affordable housing at 5 WTC:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220125...ort-authority/

Originally Posted by TonyNYC

5 WTC will be a nice addition to the WTC but it will not be complete until 2 WTC finally goes up.

At this point it's more likely that construction will start on 5 WTC before 2 WTC does and be finished before then as well since 5 WTC is shorter than 2 WTC. Currently construction on 5 WTC is expected to begin in 2023 and be completed in 2028. In the meantime, a start date for above ground construction hasn't even been announced for 2 WTC, and priority in constructing that tower likely won't pick up until construction on the PAC is completed (which is expected to be late 2022 early 2023 at the earliest) and which is now only expected to open in fall 2023: https://www.archdaily.com/976581/wha...nues-look-like

Innovative construction techniques, on the other hand, allow for new architectural landmarks to be built out of clean slates. The Ronald O. Perelman Performing Arts Center, which is slated to open in the fall of 2023 on the World Trade Center site, emphasizes flexibility as its hallmark. The multidisciplinary venue will be composed of four reconfigurable theaters to accommodate various artistic choices and volumes of attendance. “The first venues to reopen after lockdown were those with flexible spaces, such as The Shed, Park Avenue Armory, or St Ann’s Warehouse,” noted the Perelman’s president, Leslie Koch. According to Koch, their interchangeable configuration, rather than the conventional fixed seat arrangement, helped her team to commit to their original construction plan.

The ambitious cultural venture—for which the leadership has tapped REX, Davis Brody Bond, Charcoalblue and Rockwell Group to oversee the design of various sections—will also introduce cutting-edge technology that connects stage arts with the digital realm. “We’ve witnessed new ways of connectivity through technology in the last two years, and the performance arts field can benefit from this broadened accessibility,” Koch notes. Equipped with built-in wiring, the venue will be a testing ground for tech-savvy shows which have the potential to include streaming of international performances, presentations in the metaverse, and experiments with gaming technology.

“Learning from the pandemic, we now believe we have to further strengthen the sense of place, purpose, and safe social interaction,” adds Hollwich. Chu notes that, “there is now the sense of safety that needs to be addressed for theater-goers entering a venue, from small details to the overall experience.” Koch concludes that awareness for innovation and adaptability is the key for tomorrow’s venues to “start new forms of access and interaction with the audience.”

[NYguy]

https://orthodoxtimes.com/virgin-of-...cholas-shrine/

Virgin of New York City unveiled for St. Nicholas Shrine





Apr 01, 2022

In St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church and National Shrine ‘s monthly newsletter, Archbishop Elpidophoros of America revealed a photograph of an icon of the Mother of God, coined ‘Our Lady of New York City.’

Not yet installed in the church, the icon will occupy the apse—the area immediately behind the altar table—of the church. In the spatial context of Orthodox Church architecture, the icon of the virgin in the apse is known as the “Platytera Ton Ouranon” or “She Who is Wider than the Heavens.” An art historian, Bishop Joachim of Amissos thoroughly describes the piece in a recent article.

The Archbishop expressed that due to the momentous and tragic events of September 11th, the Saint Nicholas National Shrine has a special responsibility to the community of New York City.

In the icon, the Virgin with outstretched arms embraces the City. Familiar New York landmarks, like the Statue of Liberty, the Brooklyn Bridge, and Tower One at the World Trade Center, appear throughout, and the Saint Nicholas National Shrine itself sits in the foreground.