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Old Posted Apr 3, 2023, 6:53 PM
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I recall that not long after Founder's opened, there was a very high-end restaurant that opened up on the Prince St end, I think where part of the Old Triangle is now, up towards the Holliis St side. I remember being taken there for an expense account lunch one time and being astounded at seeing a $5 cup of coffee on the menu. Back then such prices were unheard of here. They did not last very long. Wish I could remember the name.
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I recall that not long after Founder's opened, there was a very high-end restaurant that opened up on the Prince St end, I think where part of the Old Triangle is now, up towards the Holliis St side. I remember being taken there for an expense account lunch one time and being astounded at seeing a $5 cup of coffee on the menu. Back then such prices were unheard of here. They did not last very long. Wish I could remember the name.
The stone corner building looks like it has its own street level space that has maybe been converted to office or something. It looks like a space suited to a restaurant.

The Johnston Building storefronts were converted to office around 2000 or so. At the time perhaps that made sense but I could see it eventually being occupied by commercial space. I wonder if that's possible or if it's just provincial office space now with no possibility of change unless they sell the building. For a long time the province would buy buildings but say they're not a landlord so anything they buy has to strictly be office space for their own uses. This outcome seems common around Canada but less so in other countries. There is a difference between buying up real estate as a landlord or speculator and incidentally renting out some spaces that were already in buildings deemed to be useful mostly for office.
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The 1920s or 30s era Irving station on Sackville Street in 1976. IIRC, that station lasted intact until being replaced by a somewhat squat condo building in the 2000s.



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Old Posted Apr 4, 2023, 11:53 AM
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The Johnston Building storefronts were converted to office around 2000 or so. At the time perhaps that made sense but I could see it eventually being occupied by commercial space. I wonder if that's possible or if it's just provincial office space now with no possibility of change unless they sell the building. For a long time the province would buy buildings but say they're not a landlord so anything they buy has to strictly be office space for their own uses. This outcome seems common around Canada but less so in other countries. There is a difference between buying up real estate as a landlord or speculator and incidentally renting out some spaces that were already in buildings deemed to be useful mostly for office.
The province has owned it since the late '60s or early '70s. It was the site of the Provincial Data Center for many years with IBM "big iron" mainframes and the like, along with office space for the Dept of Social Services (now Community Services) on the upper levels. It was awful space back then as it had been the subject of a quick and dirty provincial renovation from its previous use as the retail store for the T. Eaton Company until they relocated to the Halifax Shopping Center in the '60s. It underwent a more modern renovation in the early 2000s to become all govt offices which is still low-grade quality but better then the original renos. For many years the original Eaton's elevators remained in service and perhaps still do, I'm unsure.

I doubt being a retail tenant of the province would be a very good experience, as they do not like to do maintenance and of course would be very slow to respond to issues that arise. With the growth in numbers of the provincial bureaucracy, office space is even more valuable to them now. It is considered a prime location given its proximity to Province House, the Provincial Bldg, the now provincially-owned Joseph Howe Bldg, and One Government Place. There have been whispers for some time that the Dept of Education will eventually get moved out of their vast prairie of space in the Trade Mart to be closer to the center of govt once their cheap lease ends. Apparently Education ended up there because a past Minister demanded that the entire office be all on one level so she did not have to deal with elevators or stairways. The result is that they have a vast maze of corridors and halls in what was then the only DT space that could accommodate her demands..
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Old Posted Apr 4, 2023, 1:23 PM
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For many years the original Eaton's elevators remained in service and perhaps still do, I'm unsure.
Looks like they were replaced. No year is given, though, but it sounds like it must have been during the major renovation in the early 2000s.

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This original Eaton’s Store, built in 1925, was bought and converted 75 years later to offices for the Province of Nova Scotia. The original building had its top two floors removed. These housed the elevator mechanical and sprinkler storage tanks. Three elevators and a stairwell were removed at one end of the building and a new elevator and stairwell were constructed at the opposite end. The false roof level was removed and a new mechanical penthouse was built on the top level of the building. To accommodate all these structural changes the building was reinforced for additional loads and a cross bracing system was introduced from the basement level up to the 7th level.
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Demolition for the Delta Barrington (now The Barrington Hotel), across the street from Scotia Square, in 1978. To the left in the first photo is what remained of Buckingham Street, and you can see the corner of Buckingham and Granville Street (now Granville Mall) about a quarter of the way up at the left side of the photo.

The buidlings that are visible from the rear are now just facades on the Granville side of Barrington Place.



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I stumbled across a lengthy post on the subject of the Doubletree conversion on FB with many comments from those who were already housed there - apparently several floors of the place had already been taken over by DCS or some other govt agency some time ago to house people. The details of it and what went on would make your hair stand on end. Even worse, there were also comments from paying guests who stayed there without knowing that the place was partly a shelter already. Let's just say they did not have a good experience unless they were there for the smoking and shooting up of drugs or in search of an escort for some entertainment. Even better was the account of one homeless client who described her weekly delivery of supplies from DCS or whatever agency was contracted to do that. The goody box included booze and weed for her week's enjoyment. Apparently the deal also included being able to have a guest reside with you which made life even more spicy. The other thing mentioned by several was that the entire hotel staff received pink slips when the conversion was complete, so they are now out of work and have lost both income and benefits after in many cases decades of employment there. Cripes, what a disaster. There is no problem govt cannot make even worse.
Given the option of choosing between the tent encampments, the hotel shelter, or any third option; I’m curious what you suggest Keith for the homeless situation. Are there no work houses?
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Are there no work houses?
Well, perhaps for some cases that could be an option.

The reality that individuals or families are forced out of low-end rental housing is sadly real and unfortunate. However there needs to be different solutions in different instances. A solution that is more of a dormitory setup might work better for singles who are out in the cold. For actual families that would not be satisfactory and other solutions would be needed. But it seems a great many of these people are druggies or suffer from mental illness and putting them in repurposed hotels is no solution. They need to be in treatment facilities or incarcerated or otherwise in places that will turn their lives around. A hotel with publicly-funded booze, drugs and infested with human lowlife is not the solution.
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Grafton and Sackville Streets, looking east, time frame late 1930s or early 1940s:


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The change from then to now is evident... there is almost nothing in common between the two scenes, other than location:


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Well, perhaps for some cases that could be an option.

The reality that individuals or families are forced out of low-end rental housing is sadly real and unfortunate. However there needs to be different solutions in different instances. A solution that is more of a dormitory setup might work better for singles who are out in the cold. For actual families that would not be satisfactory and other solutions would be needed. But it seems a great many of these people are druggies or suffer from mental illness and putting them in repurposed hotels is no solution. They need to be in treatment facilities or incarcerated or otherwise in places that will turn their lives around. A hotel with publicly-funded booze, drugs and infested with human lowlife is not the solution.
“Infested with human lowlife..”. Some things never change, sadly.
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If you guys want to continue the homeless discussion, there's a better thread for it:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...251726&page=19
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Old Posted Apr 7, 2023, 6:56 PM
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If you guys want to continue the homeless discussion, there's a better thread for it:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...251726&page=19
I'm not sure how a Vancouver-centric discussion applies here except in a very general sense, but whatever.

And yes, Jet, dealing crack and meth in the lobby entrance of the former Doubletree is a pretty good indication of a lowlife.
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I'm not sure how a Vancouver-centric discussion applies here except in a very general sense, but whatever.

And yes, Jet, dealing crack and meth in the lobby entrance of the former Doubletree is a pretty good indication of a lowlife.
I don't believe for one second you've seen this happen.
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I'm not sure how a Vancouver-centric discussion applies here except in a very general sense, but whatever.
The current page of the thread I provided the link to has discussion about removing tents in Vancouver, but the thread is for Canada-wide discussion. This thread is for old photos of Halifax and surrounding discussion, but whatever.
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I don't believe for one second you've seen this happen.
I have not since I now avoid the building. It was reported by a resident in the FB post I referenced earlier. Also worthy of note are posts from those who work in the adjacent and connected Metropolitan Place building of similar things happening in their parking lot and connecting corridor.
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Already posted in the Queen Street build thread, but appropriate for this thread as well.

Dartmouth Post Office in 1915:



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Demolition for the Delta Barrington (now The Barrington Hotel), across the street from Scotia Square, in 1978. To the left in the first photo is what remained of Buckingham Street, and you can see the corner of Buckingham and Granville Street (now Granville Mall) about a quarter of the way up at the left side of the photo.

The buidlings that are visible from the rear are now just facades on the Granville side of Barrington Place.
Thanks for sharing another pair of great images, Mark. The photos of the vacant Barrington Street streetscape between Buckingham and Duke brought back a clear but disturbing memory.

I was standing on the southwest corner of Barrington and Duke early one sunny evening, watching the demolition. The work was proceeding northward from Duke Street and I looked on as the lone backhoe was tearing down a brick wall, probably a few stories in height. My best guess is it was around the area where the green van is parked in the lower photo. As the operator used the bucket of the excavator to attack the wall, I could see that the brickwork was buckling outward, not inward. The operator saw it too, and I watched him leap from the cab and take off running just as the wall fell onto the cab.

As far as I could see from where I stood the falling brick did not seem to damage the cab significantly so the man likely would have been protected. Still, it was a heart-stopping moment for me and doubtless even more nerve-wracking for him. I still think of that moment if I'm in the hotel, including when my son was married there four years ago.
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Yikes! Always a tense moment when things go wrong in a heartbeat and quick action is required.

I was around quite a few construction sites in my younger years, and can recall a few harrowing moments, like an excavator operator's quick thinking to stop a falling power pole with his bucket, or hearing of a trench cave-in that happened the week before, when I was climbing down to do a pipe elevation - one rock falling down from the sides gets you pretty amped up to get out of there.

The worse one I remember was a large roller stalling out during a paving job on a hill. The operator attempted to move it out of the way by jumping it in and out of gear, and letting the weight of the machine slowly move it downhill. It seemed to be going fine until I saw him jump off and start running as it rolled away on its own. Two events involving incredible luck (or divine intervention, if you are so inclined) followed: (1) there were no vehicles moving on the street below, and (2) the runaway roller eventually collided with the bucket of a front end loader that happened to be parked downhill - the mass of the loader was enough to stop the roller without any tragic consequences.

It's a good reminder of how dangerous such work can be (and how labour standards came into being, I suppose).
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Hollis Street, looking North, approximate location near the former Ralston Building around the year 1900. I'm drawn to the photo by the sheer size and complexity of the telephone poles of the time. Also of note is the unpaved street, which I had thought would have been paved by cobblestones by this time.



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