Your city's Jewish community - Page 37

Docere · #**721** Posted **Aug 24, 2022, 5:46 AM**

Putnam is an exurban county that's mostly Italian/Irish, I don't think it really has much of a Jewish community.

Quixote · #**722** Posted **Aug 24, 2022, 6:16 AM**

My mistake. It appears the way the counties are color-coded is based on the grouping average. That explains why LA County is a shade lighter than it should be.

So, yes, Montgomery County is probably 8-9% Jewish.

Quixote · #**723** Posted **Aug 24, 2022, 6:34 AM**

The heavier concentration of Jews in NY compared to NJ and CT is striking (although you would expect less Jewry in CT), with only one county (Bergen) being commensurate with NY. I'm not counting Ocean County because the Orthodox community in Lakewood, like Kiryas Joel and Monsey, are anomalies.

And as I pointed out earlier, Suffolk County's numbers are impressive than NJ's (minus Bergen and Ocean). Is there a reason why Jews have historically kept within state boundaries? Even freaking Staten Island is more Jewish than Hudson County, which is surprisingly not very Jewish at all.

Crawford · #**724** Posted **Aug 24, 2022, 12:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Docere

Putnam is an exurban county that's mostly Italian/Irish, I don't think it really has much of a Jewish community.

Yeah, Putnam would have very minimal Jewish population.

I still think the Rockland numbers are low, if you look at school enrollment, community-based estimates and Orthodox local political representation (school boards, county commissions and the like).

The county will be majority Jewish, at some point. Possibly the first majority Jewish county in U.S. history, though Bronx County sometime in the 1940's might have reached that threshold. But this would be more significant, bc it's an Orthodox community. The mid-century Bronx was quite secular and almost militantly assimilationist.

Crawford · #**725** Posted **Aug 24, 2022, 1:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Quixote

I'm not counting Ocean County because the Orthodox community in Lakewood, like Kiryas Joel and Monsey, are anomalies.

No, it's actually the secular enclaves that are anomalous. The Barbra Streisand-Jerry Seinfeld era is over. Lakewood is the second most important Jewish enclave in the U.S.

The tri-state area isn't just significant bc of size, but bc of faith. It's easily the largest, most Orthodox U.S. community. Most Jewish children in the tri-state are Orthodox.

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Originally Posted by Quixote

Even freaking Staten Island is more Jewish than Hudson County, which is surprisingly not very Jewish at all.

Hudson County, until about five years ago, never had a Jewish enclave, anywhere. It's Hispanic, white ethnic and, more recently white-Asian gentrifiers (heavy share of Asian gentrifier, same as LIC, for some reason - LIC will probably be majority Asian at some point, waterfront JC might get there too).

There's now an Orthodox enclave in Jersey City. Staten Island always had Jews and has an established Orthodox enclave, plus lots of former Soviets from South Brooklyn.

eschaton · #**726** Posted **Aug 24, 2022, 1:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

Hudson County, until about five years ago, never had a Jewish enclave, anywhere. It's Hispanic, white ethnic and, more recently white-Asian gentrifiers (heavy share of Asian gentrifier, same as LIC, for some reason - LIC will probably be majority Asian at some point, waterfront JC might get there too).

There's now an Orthodox enclave in Jersey City. Staten Island always had Jews and has an established Orthodox enclave, plus lots of former Soviets from South Brooklyn.

Wasn't there historically a Jewish community in Hoboken? I know it was the early site of the movie industry before it relocated to Hollywood - and of course almost all of the studios were started by Jews.

Steely Dan · #**727** Posted **Aug 24, 2022, 1:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Quixote

Cook County, IL
216,700 / 5,002,404 (4.3%)

Lake County, IL
64,700 / 704,010 (9.2%)

DuPage County, IL
15,100 / 948,295 (1.6%)

where did you get those county populations from? they're all a bit off.

per census 2020:

Cook County, IL - 5,275,541

Lake County, IL - 714,342

DuPage County, IL - 932,877

mrnyc · #**728** Posted **Aug 24, 2022, 2:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Docere

So the 10%+ Jewish counties are:

Rockland NY
Brooklyn NY
Palm Beach FL
Manhattan NY
Nassau NY
Ocean NJ
Westchester NY
Bergen NJ

All in NY, NJ and FL.

so i take boca is in palm beach and not broward?

we used to go to dirty moe's oyster bar in boca. good times lol.

Docere · #**729** Posted **Aug 24, 2022, 6:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Quixote

The heavier concentration of Jews in NY compared to NJ and CT is striking (although you would expect less Jewry in CT), with only one county (Bergen) being commensurate with NY. I'm not counting Ocean County because the Orthodox community in Lakewood, like Kiryas Joel and Monsey, are anomalies.

And as I pointed out earlier, Suffolk County's numbers are impressive than NJ's (minus Bergen and Ocean). Is there a reason why Jews have historically kept within state boundaries? Even freaking Staten Island is more Jewish than Hudson County, which is surprisingly not very Jewish at all.

Jersey City never had a particularly large Jewish community. Newark however had about 70,000 Jews at its peak and 1/4 of NHWs in Essex County are Jewish.

Bergen developed as as a NYC suburb and has similar number of Jews as Westchester.

Docere · #**730** Posted **Aug 24, 2022, 7:14 PM**

Also I don't see what's really mysterious about a county with a population of 1.5 million (Suffolk) having more Jews than a county with a population of 500,000.

Crawford · #**731** Posted **Aug 24, 2022, 7:30 PM**

Right. There are no real huge counties in NJ. Bergen, the largest, has a lot of Jews. Not shocking.

Suffolk County isn't particularly Jewish, for NY-area standards. There are no super heavily Jewish areas, no Orthodox communities. North Shore communities have some Jews, as well as Brightwaters area on South Shore, but nothing huge. Nassau is much more Jewish.

Dix Hills is pretty Jewish, though probably less so than a generation ago. More Asians now. Dix Hills is a pretty typical postwar upper middle class school-oriented secular Jewish community. Asians now moving there for the schools, the Jewish kids are probably more in Manhattan/Brooklyn and many won't move back during nesting phase.

Docere · #**732** Posted **Aug 24, 2022, 7:49 PM**

The three closest-in suburban NYC counties - Bergen, Westchester, Nassau - are all more than 10% Jewish.

Docere · #**733** Posted **Aug 25, 2022, 12:55 AM**

How Lakewood became a worldwide destination for Orthodox Jews:

https://www.nj.com/news/2017/05/how_...on_for_or.html

JMKeynes · #**734** Posted **Aug 25, 2022, 1:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by mrnyc

so i take boca is in palm beach and not broward?

we used to go to dirty moe's oyster bar in boca. good times lol.

I’m not a member of the tribe, but the rugelach at Poppy’s in Delray is to die for, Bubeleh.

Quixote · #**735** Posted **Aug 25, 2022, 1:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

where did you get those county populations from? they're all a bit off.

per census 2020:

Cook County, IL - 5,275,541

Lake County, IL - 714,342

DuPage County, IL - 932,877

From Brandeis’ map. None of the total population estimates are from the 2020 census. They might’ve used numbers from the 2019 ACS.

What’s great about these numbers is that they were derived from a singular methodology. Everything is apples-apples.

Quixote · #**736** Posted **Aug 25, 2022, 1:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by Docere

Also I don't see what's really mysterious about a county with a population of 1.5 million (Suffolk) having more Jews than a county with a population of 500,000.

Because a county of 1.45 million being 5.5% Jewish is more impressive than counties that have half or less the total population but are only 2% more Jewish.

Okay, Middlesex and Monmouth might be a little more impressive. But I think you get the idea.

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Originally Posted by Quixote

Suffolk County
79,300 / 1,440,980 (5.5%)

New Jersey

Essex County
51,600 / 781,913 (6.6%)

Morris County
34,000 / 474,280 (7.2%)

Somerset County
23,200 / 296,373 (7.8%)

Middlesex County
58,700 / 783,408 (7.5%)

Monmouth County
53,200 / 629,135 (8.5%)

Mercer County
22,500 / 375,894 (6.0%)

Docere · #**737** Posted **Aug 25, 2022, 2:09 AM**

General rule seems to be the closer to NYC, the more Jewish. So Bergen, Nassau and Westchester are more than 10% Jewish. Most of the further-flung counties are less Jewish, but still have decent numbers (the big exceptions of course are the ultra-Orthodox communities of Rockland/Orange and Lakewood).

Crawford · #**738** Posted **Aug 25, 2022, 2:14 AM**

Also, the closer to NYC, the less white. Given that Jews are overwhelmingly white, the share of Jews among white population is much higher in proximity to the city.

Docere · #**739** Posted **Aug 25, 2022, 2:25 AM**

% of NHW population

Nassau 24.7%
Westchester 22.5%
Essex 22.4%
Bergen 20.1%

Quixote · #**740** Posted **Aug 25, 2022, 2:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by Crawford

No, it's actually the secular enclaves that are anomalous. The Barbra Streisand-Jerry Seinfeld era is over. Lakewood is the second most important Jewish enclave in the U.S.

The tri-state area isn't just significant bc of size, but bc of faith. It's easily the largest, most Orthodox U.S. community. Most Jewish children in the tri-state are Orthodox.

But most NYC area Jews are of the legacy Streisand-Seinfeld-Drescher stock. Yes, more observant and less intermarriage compared to U.S. Jews as a whole, but still pretty secular.

With NYC being as big, vibrant, diverse, and cosmopolitan as it is, Orthodoxy has its limits. The fast-paced, money-making, social-climbing culture is too predominant. That and the high cost of living run counter to having large families. The culture of progressiveness and openness is in diametric opposition to strict adherence and values and isolationism.