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Old Posted Sep 27, 2022, 2:53 AM
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Also farewell to the S/V Denis Sullivan

Tall ship S/V Denis Sullivan is leaving Milwaukee after being sold to Boston-based World Ocean School

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After more than two years of sitting idle, the S/V Denis Sullivan will sail once again in October. But when the tall ship leaves its dock at Discovery World, it will be sailing to a new permanent home on the East Coast.

Discovery World has sold the vessel to World Ocean School, a nonprofit based in Boston that will operate the ship year-round, according to Discovery World President and CEO Bryan Wunar.
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Old Posted Sep 27, 2022, 2:31 PM
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Constellation Class is a good looking ship. The size would be a destroyer in other navies.
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Constellation Class is a good looking ship. The size would be a destroyer in other navies.
depends on the navy. though frigates are typically a bit smaller/less capable than destroyers, the line between them is quite blurry from navy to navy.

the constellation class design is based on the french/italian FREMM frigate.

the italian version of FREMM has a full-load displacement of 6,600 tons and is classified by the italian navy as a "frigate", while the slightly longer constellation class will have a full-load displacement of 7,200 tons.

additionally, while the constellation class will be FAR more capable than the LCS ships they will replace, they will still be smaller/less capable than the arleigh burke class destroyers that make up the backbone of the US navy's surface ship fleet.

the constellation class are smaller than the AB IIA class (7,200 tons vs. 9,300 tons), have a smaller gun (57mm vs. 127mm), and have smaller VLS missile battery (32 cells vs. 96 cells).

but it's still pretty damn wild that they are gonna build these impressive warships in wisconsin, over 700 miles inland from the atlantic ocean.
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ohio navy shipyard proposal devil is in the details --
not so much lordstown for parts repairs consolidation, but the lorain yard if it was to be solely for sub repairs --



AEROSPACE & DEFENSE

Navy Shipyard Proposal For 2 Ohio Towns Needs Revision

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Mar 15, 2022,08:46am EDT


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Bartlett Maritime Corporation, founded a month after this author called for a new public shipyard in DefenseOne, entered the public eye earlier this year, openly urging the Navy to accept their unsolicited proposal for a new naval maintenance “depot” in the village of Lordstown and a good-sized naval shipyard at the town of Lorain, on the banks of Lake Erie.

The audacious proposal, crafted by Ed Bartlett, a long-time enlisted submariner and a crew of other well-connected submarine veterans, hits on a lot of sympathetic notes for ardent navalists. The current set of four publicly-owned Navy shipyards could use supplementation, and America can benefit from additional facilities to maintain a current fleet of 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers and 68 submarines.


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https://www.forbes.com/sites/craigho...h=69772b803322



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Those behind the effort to bring Navy submarine repair facilities to Ohio hopeful to be under contract soon

Posted at 5:25 PM, Aug 08, 2022 and last updated 5:25 PM, Aug 08, 2022

LORAIN, Ohio — Good news from the Bartlett Maritime Corporation, the group behind the project to bring major submarine repair facilities to Lorain and Lordstown. Company officials met last week at the Pentagon with senior Navy leadership to discuss the status of their proposal.

“We're hopeful that we'll be under contract before too long to do the preliminary planning for the two new facilities we proposed,” said company founder, chairman and CEO Ed Bartlett. “One in Lorain to support building equipment to be installed in new ships and one in Lordstown to support maintenance of equipment in existing ships.”


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https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/...-contract-soon

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Old Posted Sep 28, 2022, 2:42 PM
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depends on the navy. though frigates are typically a bit smaller/less capable than destroyers, the line between them is quite blurry from navy to navy.

the constellation class design is based on the french/italian FREMM frigate.

the italian version of FREMM has a full-load displacement of 6,600 tons and is classified by the italian navy as a "frigate", while the slightly longer constellation class will have a full-load displacement of 7,200 tons.

additionally, while the constellation class will be FAR more capable than the LCS ships they will replace, they will still be smaller/less capable than the arleigh burke class destroyers that make up the backbone of the US navy's surface ship fleet.

the constellation class are smaller than the AB IIA class (7,200 tons vs. 9,300 tons), have a smaller gun (57mm vs. 127mm), and have smaller VLS missile battery (32 cells vs. 96 cells).

but it's still pretty damn wild that they are gonna build these impressive warships in wisconsin, over 700 miles inland from the atlantic ocean.
damn. i was just looking at the rendering and thinking, "That's a big ass frigate". Appreciate all the info.
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damn. i was just looking at the rendering and thinking, "That's a big ass frigate". Appreciate all the info.
by global standards, it certainly qualifies as a "big ass frigate", as it would be classified as a destroyer in a lot of other navies, as you said.

i was just pointing out that the line between them is very blurry these days.

france and italy co-developed the FREMM ships for their respective navies. the italian navy classifies its FREMM ships as "frigates", while the french navy classifies its FREMM ships as "destroyers".

go figure.
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by global standards, it certainly qualifies as a "big ass frigate", as it would be classified as a destroyer in a lot of other navies, as you said.

i was just pointing out that the line between them is very blurry these days.

france and italy co-developed the FREMM ships for their respective navies. the italian navy classifies its FREMM ships as "frigates", while the french navy classifies its FREMM ships as "destroyers".

go figure.
It's almost the size of the British type 45 destroyer and is supposed to carry more advanced anti ship missiles too. Gonna try to get a peek in a year or two when its launched.
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It's almost the size of the British type 45 destroyer and is supposed to carry more advanced anti ship missiles too.
yes, in addition to the 32 cell VLS in the forward deck, the design also calls for 4 quad canister launchers (16 total missiles) mounted mid-ship for an over the horizon anti-ship missile, likely the Naval Strike Missile.

that will bridge some of the missile capability gap with the arleigh burkes and their total of 96 VLS cells.
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by global standards, it certainly qualifies as a "big ass frigate", as it would be classified as a destroyer in a lot of other navies, as you said.

i was just pointing out that the line between them is very blurry these days.

france and italy co-developed the FREMM ships for their respective navies. the italian navy classifies its FREMM ships as "frigates", while the french navy classifies its FREMM ships as "destroyers".

go figure.
Of course. There's no set definition accepted by all navies. And, American aircraft and amphibious assault ship are large by global standards too. Of course, there's the littoral combat ship class that are closer in size and cost to frigates than corvettes and built with the defensive capabilities of patrol ships.
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I've seen the two Great Lakes cruise ships come and go a few times from my place when I've been in Toronto this summer. This is the first time I've seen them both here at the same time. I imagine the Octantis is gearing up to switch to it's Antarctic route now that summer is over here.

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