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Old Posted Dec 14, 2022, 8:33 AM
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I stumbled across an amazing set of photos on Twitter taken in old Chinatown, courtesy of The Hungtington. They're from a set of glass plates that were discovered in the 1940s and only recently digitized.



Link to Twitter thread with several photos.

Mid-Late 1890s? Most of the Chinese men appear to dress in the traditional Chinese way, and have long hair cues or pigtails. After 1900, more Chinese adopted Western dress, and started to cut their cues. The western women at left are dressed in a style characteristic of the 1895-1900 period, although the photo could be as late as 1905 or early as 1890. Most likely 1895-1900 in my opinion.

After 1910 few Chinese men in the U.S. except the most traditional, the elderly and new arrivals wore long pigtails. Cue cutting coincided with the rebellions in China against the western concessions and the imperial system, like the Boxer Rebellion and other uprisings by the oppressed "coolies" that eventually ended the the rule of the emperor.

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I happened upon this veritable treasure chest of ephemera, documents and photographs on eBay a few months ago and finally got around to sorting through the items.




I'll start with the three items shown above.



A business card.










Part of a brochure.









And this amazing photograph of the Hollywoodland Riding Club.



It appears that. .bear with me. .the horses are having lunch (bales of hay) while two attendants serve hot coffee to the riders. And across the road at the edge of the trees
a small band is serenading the group of riders. (that's my interpretation)



Here's a closer look.


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My kingdom for anyone who can figure out where this T intersection is located.

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Old Posted Dec 15, 2022, 12:15 AM
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continued. . .





More to come.
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Hollywoodland

Does this mean that you put up the $55,450 to buy the collection? I was considering it, but I was $55,400 short.
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Here's a map from the collection. (we might have seen it before)





We might have seen this photograph as well but I decided to post it anyway because that staircase is spectacular!



I wonder if that's a fountain running down the center of the staircase. If so, it reminds me of the long fountain on Harold Lloyd's estate. (perhaps iit was designed by the same person )

I'm hoping the staircase is still there. (I'd look it up but I don't know the location)



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A trifecta of items from the collection.


eBay



A closer look at the documents.






An unsold share of the Woodruff Co.?





The mystery sign.



I think if one were to adjust the contrast the writing might show up. (I started to do it but ran out of time)




And finally. . .a mystery photograph.




Is anyone familiar with the Clark & Sherman Land Co.

Far right: W.G. van Rosseau (I think) 1/12/25 - - - - - >
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2022, 9:43 PM
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I believe this was taken looking north, close to the intersection of Whitley Ave. and Padre Ter., right off of Franklin in Hollywood.

Sadly, it looks like the white house with the gable roof was torn down recently.



Very sad, indeed. The demolition was not legal, but proceeded anyway. I lived in one of those apartments for 12 years. My upstairs neighbor was Jim Thompson, the writer (The Getaway, The Grifters, The Killer Inside Me) and before him the dance team of Veloz and Yolanda. That address had quite a history. The owner was Leona Halliday, who lived at 1905 Grace Avenue. Her family made a fortune in Gillette Company stock and other business ventures. Mrs. Halliday owned many of the properties on Franklin Avenue, between Grace and Whitley and several more on Whitley.
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I'm terrible with the search function on here, but couldn't find anything on the El Rey Hotel at 6th & San Pedro. I've seen 501 E. 6th, 505 E. 6th, 511 E. 6th St., and 515 E. 6th as addresses for this building. There is a matchbook on eBay for Nel's Coffee Shop at 566 S. San Pedro that caught my eye, so I looked on GSV and saw that it is now the Weingart Center. The 621-room El Rey was donated to the "city and county of Los Angeles" in 1979 as a "facility for alcholics" by the Weingart foundation in 1979. (LAT 4.6.79).


1927, Dick Whittington/USC



(all eBay)

1980 photo by William Reagh / Los Angeles Public Library

2022, GSV

**NOW**
Please don't take this as an invitation to discuss politics and sway from our purpose on this page, but in looking for the coffee shop I ended up on the San Pedro Street side, and just started scrolling through this spot over the last 15 years of Google Street View, and noticed some changes in the physical environment. Examples of what might be called ad hoc "defensive urban design." Aside from changes over 100 years, look at what's come and gone since 2008.

GSV 2008

Curved pickets on security fencing removed
GSV 2009

Logo graphic removed
Security camera added
GSV 2011

Security lighting added, tree removed, new pickets added on outside of fence
GSV 2017

Warning signage added, security gates added in doorways
GSV 2019
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2022, 10:10 PM
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We might have seen this photograph as well but I decided to post it anyway because that staircase is spectacular!



I wonder if that's a fountain running down the center of the staircase. If so, it reminds me of the long fountain on Harold Lloyd's estate. (perhaps it was designed by the same person )

I'm hoping the staircase is still there. (I'd look it up but I don't know the location)
They're still there, but quite hidden by foliage, so difficult to see from the Googlemobile. The base of the staircase (marked on Google Maps as the Hollywoodland Stairs, but also referred to as the Saroyan Stairs) can be found at the intersection of N Beachwood and Woodshire Drives, with the top at Belden Drive. They're #4 on this list of The Secret Staircases of Beachwood Canyon & Hollywoodland.
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I'm terrible with the search function on here, but couldn't find anything on the El Rey Hotel at 6th & San Pedro. I've seen 501 E. 6th, 505 E. 6th, 511 E. 6th St., and 515 E. 6th as addresses for this building. There is a matchbook on eBay for Nel's Coffee Shop at 566 S. San Pedro that caught my eye, so I looked on GSV and saw that it is now the Weingart Center. The 621-room El Rey was donated to the "city and county of Los Angeles" in 1979 as a "facility for alcholics" by the Weingart foundation in 1979. (LAT 4.6.79).


1927, Dick Whittington/USC
I posted a couple of pictures of the El Rey when I did a series of posts on branches of the Citizens Trust and Savings Bank back in 2014. They're in the middle of this post. The post also references another, earlier post because the El Rey was one of Los Angeles' Five Aces (along with the Hotel Teris, the Hotel St Paul, Hotel Ritz and Stillwell Hotel).

BTW Snix, I never use the forum search function. I re-found these with the following search in Google:
site:skyscraperpage.com noirish "el rey"
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Only 10 Shopping Days 'til Christmas...


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La Brea Circus, 1979...with this song playing in the background...

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When did Ready for the "80's" become "80s"?
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They're still there, but quite hidden by foliage, so difficult to see from the Googlemobile. The base of the staircase (marked on Google Maps as the Hollywoodland Stairs, but also referred to as the Saroyan Stairs) can be found at the intersection of N Beachwood and Woodshire Drives, with the top at Belden Drive. They're #4 on this list of The Secret Staircases of Beachwood Canyon & Hollywoodland.
Here's a post I did on those stairs in 2013: https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=17612
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And finally. . .a mystery photograph.




Is anyone familiar with the Clark & Sherman Land Co.

Far right: W.G. van Rosseau (I think) 1/12/25 - - - - - >
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Although this webpage essay via the Hollywoodland Gifted Park somehow only implies the relationship between Eli Clark, Moses Sherman and the development of Hollywoodland, there's plenty of interesting info herein:
https://www.hollywoodlandgiftedpark....d-eli-p-clark/
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They're still there, but quite hidden by foliage, so difficult to see from the Googlemobile. The base of the staircase (marked on Google Maps as the Hollywoodland Stairs, but also referred to as the Saroyan Stairs) can be found at the intersection of N Beachwood and Woodshire Drives, with the top at Belden Drive.
Thanks HossC.


Here's how the stairs look today. (for those who don't bother with links)


theeastsideagent


"At the corner of N. Beachwood and Woodshire Drive, locate the next set of stairs. This is the set of Beachwood stairs that is the most well known, a towering double set separated by a stone wall that used to contain a running stream. Now it holds planter boxes and, further up, provides useful benches for resting. At the bottom is a plaque, declaring the staircase Historic-Cultural Monument No. 535 and giving its date of construction as 1928. Mull that over as you march up 148 very steep steps, perhaps pausing to enjoy one of the benches as you go. Turn left at the top and follow Belden Drive around a couple of bends."

A-Ha! . . .so there was a water element.



Here's the somewhat similar streaming fountain at Harold Lloyd's estate. (I mentioned it earlier)


wikiwand

I thought they might have been designed by the same person who designed the stairs. . but what do I know?




Thanks for the link to hollywoodlandpark, Henry Huntington. I appreciate it. It was very information.

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Remember this chained mystery sign?






I toyed around with the contrast and here is the result.



I was hoping for something a bit more exciting. . . like. . .VICIOUS MURDERER ON THE LOOSE

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I looked through past posts and didn't find anything on Todd's Department Stores which is surprising considering it had six locations!


eBay

The seller included this small pic.



Here's a larger picture of the Todd's store in the image above (blade sign on the right). It's the branch at 6th and Main (the giveaway in the image above is the Hotel Rosslyn in the background). There's no date with this image, but the United California Bank Building (now the Aon Center) in the distance was completed in 1973.


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Here's a map from the collection. (we might have seen it before)




We might have seen this photograph as well but I decided to post it anyway because that staircase is spectacular!



I wonder if that's a fountain running down the center of the staircase. If so, it reminds me of the long fountain on Harold Lloyd's estate. (perhaps iit was designed by the same person )

I'm hoping the staircase is still there. (I'd look it up but I don't know the location)

Most of the "Hollywoodland" subdivision houses in Beachwood Canyon from the 1920s are still in use, aren't they? Most probably sell for well over $1 million I bet. Do some stars still live up there? I like to imagine the Stanwyck house in "Double Indemnity" was up there, but maybe it was Los Feliz. Is the Hollywoodland area welcoming to walkers from outside who want to soak up the 1920s vibe?

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Here's a larger picture of the Todd's store in the image above (blade sign on the right). It's the branch at 6th and Main (the giveaway in the image above is the Hotel Rosslyn in the background). There's no date with this image, but the United California Bank Building (now the Aon Center) in the distance was completed in 1973.


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The BUS BUS blade sign on the left building amuses me!
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Most of the "Hollywoodland" subdivision houses in Beachwood Canyon from the 1920s are still in use, aren't they? Most probably sell for well over $1 million I bet. Do some stars still live up there? I like to imagine the Stanwyck house in "Double Indemnity" was up there, but maybe it was Los Feliz. Is the Hollywoodland area welcoming to walkers from outside who want to soak up the 1920s vibe?
CaliNative : If I remember well the posts on "Double indemnity", the Stanwyck house is still there in Glendale.
BTW, I was born too in 1952. I appreciated your wide comments.
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The BUS BUS blade sign on the left building amuses me!
It's a double decker BUS.
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