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Definitely Victoria. Also, Kingston Ontario.

Before the creation of the Halifax Regional Municipality, the original core city of Halifax would have been right up there with Victoria.
Brockville Ontario is also pretty nice small city.
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It's also worth noting, when discussing small cities, there's a few blocks of Albany, NY where you would think you were in Brooklyn. It's really only an area about three blocks deep and seven blocks long, but its still quite nice. Plenty of other remaining rowhouse neighborhoods in the city too...some of them upscale and white, some of them working class and black.

Albany could have been such an incredibly cool little city if Empire State Plaza hadn't ripped out the heart of it.
Albany has great urban fabric. I almost got an apartment around the corner from there. Nearby Troy has some nice areas too.
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The whole Capital Region has great urbanity. Saratoga, pound for pound, is about as good as it gets in the U.S. Also beautiful scenery and close to true wilderness.
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Definitely Victoria. Also, Kingston Ontario.

Before the creation of the Halifax Regional Municipality, the original core city of Halifax would have been right up there with Victoria.
Victoria and Kingston both have strong historic cores, but looking at the cities as a whole, are still dominated by post-war suburbia. I don't know that they would meet the strict criteria of the original post.
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In general, I feel like the Midwest has slim pickings.

Dayton barely qualifies in terms of population. I would say the Oregon District is a legit nice urban neighborhood - much better than anything found in Akron or Toledo. It has a nice business district, and cool historic homes on the back streets. That said, it's just one small neighborhood in a generally economically depressed city.
I generally agree. When I think of Ohio's smaller cities, they tend to be a bit depressed (it is Ohio, after all). There is always great architecture to be found, but economic activity and vibrancy are lacking. There are, however, some great small towns, mostly around colleges and universities:

Oxford (Miami U):
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.5104...7i16384!8i8192

Athens (Ohio U):
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3275...7i16384!8i8192

Oberlin (Oberlin College):
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2916...7i13312!8i6656

Yellow Springs (Antioch College):
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8051...7i16384!8i8192
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Some Capitol region streetviews.

Schenectady (Stockade)
Cohoes
Saratoga Springs
Watervliet
Hudson
Catskill

You could just keep going down the Hudson all the way to NYC and keep finding small cities with good bones. Though some of them, like Newburgh, are pretty rough.
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Colorado has a lot of thriving small cities. Here's Boulder:



Ogden, Utah is my hometown and has a lovely, walkable historic core that was dilapidated for years but has been going through a revival. It's probably the second-best downtown in Utah at this point after Salt Lake City.



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What about Madison, Wisconsin? People used to talk a lot about it few years ago.
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What about Madison, Wisconsin? People used to talk a lot about it few years ago.
I think it's too big for the purpose of this thread.
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What about Madison, Wisconsin? People used to talk a lot about it few years ago.
Probably too big for the thread criteria.

What about Butte, MT?
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Reading, like York, certainly qualifies for this thread under the urban criteria and has the requisite population (88,350) the op laid out, but Reading and York's cores are not vibrant.

Both cities are still largely gritty, although downtown York has made some pretty big strides in the past 10 years with a slew of new restaurants, cafes, and shops opening up in restored historic buildings. Even the old Yorktowne Hotel is being renovated and turned into a Tapestry Collection by Hilton property. As the op stated earlier though, York and even Reading are quite far behind cities like Lancaster and Bethlehem in revitalizing their cores, but pound for pound Pennsylvania might have the greatest collection of small urban cities and towns in the United States. For example, even a town as small as Renovo (pop. 1,200), has streets and blocks of rowhomes.
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^ I love Portsmouth, packs a lot of urbanity in such a small area.


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The whole Capital Region has great urbanity. Saratoga, pound for pound, is about as good as it gets in the U.S. Also beautiful scenery and close to true wilderness.
Saratoga is in the best economic shape and only one growing in the region.
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Reading, like York, certainly qualifies for this thread under the urban criteria and has the requisite population (88,350) the op laid out, but Reading and York's cores are not vibrant.

Both cities are still largely gritty, although downtown York has made some pretty big strides in the past 10 years with a slew of new restaurants, cafes, and shops opening up in restored historic buildings. Even the old Yorktowne Hotel is being renovated and turned into a Tapestry Collection by Hilton property. As the op stated earlier though, York and even Reading are quite far behind cities like Lancaster and Bethlehem in revitalizing their cores, but pound for pound Pennsylvania might have the greatest collection of small urban cities and towns in the United States. For example, even a town as small as Renovo (pop. 1,200), has streets and blocks of rowhomes.
I think its a toss-up between Mass and PA
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I think its a toss-up between Mass and PA
Agreed and one could also make a strong argument for New York as well.
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Are we counting independent cities within larger MSAs? If so, along with all the other excellent eastern PA cities, West Chester should be there. And just down the road, Wilmington—even with all its crime and poverty issues—packs quite a punch for a city of 70,000. Great bones/density, a large downtown for its size that’s rapidly improving, and some beautiful, walkable neighborhoods (Trolly Square, Forty Acres, Highlands, and others).
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Portland Maine - Best all around, dense walkable maze of a downtown, hilly, harbor views, beautiful neighborhoods

Harrisburg Pennsylvania - Super dense, large buildings, beautiful historic structures, green dome state house, large river

Lowell Massachusetts - Dense mill city with rivers and canals, lots of residential conversions in the huge old textile factories

Portsmouth New Hampshire - Coastal goodness, dense, historic

Albany New York - A few blocks of downtown feel like a slice of a much larger city (such as my own, Boston), Empire Plaza is one of the all-time dystopian areas with massive scale

Scranton Pennsylvania - Denser and more expansive than expected, beautiful old architecture, Dunder Mifflin

Hartford Connecticut - Strong skyline and park system, Traveler's Tower and State House among the best in their classes

New Haven Connecticut - Dense, walkable, awesome pizza, feels like a standalone Cambridge (Yale vs Harvard)
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