City Murder Rates

[Flyers2001]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

In your opinion, that's only a matter of a tougher police enforcement or there are other underlying causes as well (e.g. lack of career prospects, good jobs, etc.)?

D.A. Larry Krasner and Mayor James Kenny are the reasons murders have rose over the last 4 years. They were on their way down under former mayor Nutter.

[ilcapo]

Originally Posted by ilcapo

23/9

Sweden (pop 10.2 mil)
Estimated total: 110 (36 shootings)

Stockholm Metro (pop 2.3 mil)
Estimated total: 37 (17 shootings)

Within City limits (Pop 960.000)
Estimated total: 21 (11 shootings)

12/11

Sweden (pop 10.2 mil)
Estimated total: 120 (42 deadly shootings)

Stockholm Metro (pop 2.3 mil)
Estimated total: 42 (21 deadly shootings)

Within City limits (Pop 960.000)
Estimated total: 24 (13 deadly shootings)

Stockholm and Sweden is up compared to last year.
The City of Malmö however (Pop 344k) has been averaging around 11 murders a year the past 10 years but is at just 3 YTD after several arrests of "key figures" within the criminal gangs in the city. Some good news in other words.

[BG918]

St Louis now at 224 homicides. The record is 248 set in 1994, at this pace they may break it.

[Acajack]

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada has 9 so far this year for 1 million people.

The metro area has about 1.4 million people, with most of the extra population in my city of Gatineau, Québec. We have 2 murders this year so far.

So about a dozen murders for the entire metro area.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by BG918

St Louis now at 224 homicides. The record is 248 set in 1994, at this pace they may break it.

It’s getting close to a 100/100,000 rate. Crazy.

[photoLith]

Wonder how much of the homicide rate increase this year is due to cops not wanting to deal with certain neighborhoods as to not get fired or jailed for having to shoot somebody that is trying to kill them?

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by photoLith

Wonder how much of the homicide rate increase this year is due to cops not wanting to deal with certain neighborhoods as to not get fired or jailed for having to shoot somebody that is trying to kill them?

Even though I guess that's a main issue, protests and prosecution don't come from nowhere either. Police corps have a huge share of blame as their occasional bad behavior ignites the said demonstrations.

[Skoobeatz]

Cleveland Ohio (150) pop: 390,000

Akron Ohio (41) pop: 197,000

Youngstown Ohio (24) pop: 64,000

Warren Ohio (15) pop: 39,000

[jtown,man]

Chicago:

703 murders so far.

3069 shot and wounded.

[BG918]

Originally Posted by yuriandrade

It’s getting close to a 100/100,000 rate. Crazy.

That puts St Louis near the top as one of the deadliest cities in the world

Tijuana MX currently has that title at 134/100,000, second is Juarez MX at 105/100,000.

St. Louis:

62 sq. mi.
~300 K people
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~224 murders in 62 sq. mi.

Tijuana:

246 sq. mi.
~1.9 M people
----------------------
~2,546 murders in 246 sq. mi.

Juarez:

124 sq. mi.
~1.3 M people
----------------------
~1,365 murders in 124 sq. mi.


totally legitimate comparison. again, if you actually consider comparable areas/populations St. Louis ranks well below these cities in rate and below many other US cities that nobody ever calls "dangerous." but arbitrary boundaries make for great tabloids. not minimizing St. Louis City's crime problem, but—AGAIN—it's confined to a relatively small area and a particular demographic.

[BG918]

Originally Posted by IWant2BeInSTL

St. Louis:

62 sq. mi.
~300 K people
------------------
~224 murders in 62 sq. mi.

Tijuana:

246 sq. mi.
~1.9 M people
----------------------
~2,546 murders in 246 sq. mi.

Juarez:

124 sq. mi.
~1.3 M people
----------------------
~1,365 murders in 124 sq. mi.


totally legitimate comparison. again, if you actually consider comparable areas/populations St. Louis ranks well below these cities in rate and below many other US cities that nobody ever calls "dangerous." but arbitrary boundaries make for great tabloids. not minimizing St. Louis City's crime problem, but—AGAIN—it's confined to a relatively small area and a particular demographic.

224 homicides with only 300k is bad no matter how you spin it. I'd be interested in hearing what is STL doing to combat this?

[N90]

Philly is at 430, up 41% YOY.

https://www.phillypolice.com/crime-m...105.1605294302

Completely out of control...

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Originally Posted by BG918

224 homicides with only 300k is bad no matter how you spin it. I'd be interested in hearing what is STL doing to combat this?

Los Angeles has 13 times the population and 285 murders so far this year. St Louis is beyond outrageous

LA

2020 - 285
2019 - 228
2018 - 219

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Our biggest American cities YTD

NYC

2020 - 399
2019 - 289

Up 38%

LA

2020 - 285
2019 - 228

Up 25%

Chicago

2020 - 703
2019 - 463

up 66%

Philadelphia

2020 - 430
2019 - 306

Up 41%

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by BG918

224 homicides with only 300k is bad no matter how you spin it. I'd be interested in hearing what is STL doing to combat this?

My city has about 285,000 people and the built up area where most everyone lives is about 75 sq mi. So similar to St. Louis. Another part within the city limits is largely unpopulated.

I know many Americans have avoiding bad areas of cities down to a science, but still just thinking about that amount of murders and the geography of a city of that size (I live in one)... even if you live in a really nice area and you avoid all the bad ones, at least several of those are going to be too close for comfort.

[softee]

Hamilton, Ontario (pop. 540,000) is at 14 so far this year. That's more than usual.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I know many Americans have avoiding bad areas of cities down to a science, but still just thinking about that amount of murders and the geography of a city of that size (I live in one)... even if you live in a really nice area and you avoid all the bad ones, at least several of those are going to be too close for comfort.

when you live in a city with obscene levels of gun violence, you get kinda desensitized to it to a degree.

so much of the violence contains itself within the gangs & drugs world such that if you're not part of that world, you tend to brush it off even when it gets close to you.

i do keep up with chicago's violence, and while we live in one of the safer areas of the city, people still do shoot guns at each other from time to time in our neighborhood. and like 9 times of 10 it's gang-banger idiots shooting other gang-banger idiots, and as callous as it sounds, most people just shrug and say, "well, that's what happens when you join a gang....."


people only ever seem to care when an innocent child gets caught in the crossfire. people get outraged for a bit, and the newspapers are filled with op-eds about how "the city is killing its children" and then everyone forgets about it until it happens again next month.

it's been going on like that literally for decades.

shit never changes.

at some point, a sense of futility just sets in.

[Northern Light]

Toronto is at 61 homicides

That's down from 63 at this time last year.

Population ~3,000,000
Area: 630km2 or 243m2

Originally Posted by BG918

224 homicides with only 300k is bad no matter how you spin it. I'd be interested in hearing what is STL doing to combat this?

but it's only 300K people because of an arbitrary boundary! that's the whole point. if you actually make an attempt to compare like populations/urban areas then St. Louis' rate drops well below Tijuana or Juarez. if you include half of St. Louis County you get a much more equitable population/urban area comparison, with <300 homicides for STL versus 1.4 and 2.5 THOUSAND for Juarez and Tijuana, respectively. it's not even close. sorry to disappoint. that's not "spinning." it's just a more honest comparison.

you can find out all about St. Louis' anti-crime and community initiatives through Google. addressing decades of concentrated poverty, disinvestment, and population loss takes a long f*cking time.