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Old Posted Oct 2, 2020, 12:57 AM
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Most new subdivision homes in the US, especially in the fast growing regions, are built by in very large numbers by developers as spec housing. Very few homes are built custom these days except in the wealthiest developments, and even there the home is usually built by a home-builder who offers a stock luxury product tweaked with custom features rather than a true architect designed original. The number of truly custom homes built in the US is really very small. I don't know much about the upscale Brazilian housing market, but I suspect that many or most of the homes there are architect designed and custom built.
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2020, 5:29 PM
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I don't know Mexico, but upper-middle class Brazilians tend to invest heavily on their houses: good materials, good designs for both furnitures and the house itself. We are making generalizations here, but it seems the average middle-class American care less about this.
Richer places are going to have better quality materials and design, generally. We talk about how the fake "Tuscan crap" sucks, but that's because we're picturing cookie cutter crap in Irvine like this:



But if you go to super wealthy places like Montecito or Santa Barbara, you find amazing examples of Mediterranean Revival design with top notch materials, no goofy proportions, etc. Stuff like this:



America's truly wealthy don't live in the sprawly cul-de-sacs. That's middle or upper middle class territory, and you're not going to find high design in many of those places, because that is the territory of the truly wealthy.
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Yeah, the ultrawealthy usually have higher quality design, but $2 million+ homes in exurban Detroit aren't for the upper middle class, they're for the wealthy. You have to be in the 1% to afford such homes.

Of course the .1% with homes near Central Park, Jackson Hole, Santa Barbara, etc. are in another class. But your chief of surgery at a random metroplitan hospital in the heartland is more likely to live in some tacky neo-Tuscan megamansion in on an exurban cul-de-sac.

Irvine, yeah, I'd call more upper middle class, but Irvine doesn't really have McMansions, it's more typical Southern CA sprawl. Of course it's expensive but that's because it's in the best part of OC, Asians love it and the schools are great.
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2020, 7:08 PM
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There is no way that New York and LA csa will shrink.
Yet the US Census Bureau data shows that it is. Click on the link for 2018-2019 that says 'Combined Statistical Area; and for Puerto Rico'. It's the 6th one down.

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Since the year 2000, the US has added 51 million people to the population .....
All true but things don't remain constant forever. What was true 2000-2020 isn't true today. Natural Increase (Births - Deaths) is going down as is Net Migration (immigration - emigration). The US is adding fewer people each year than it used to. 51 million represents an average annual increase of 2,550,000 people over the time period you posted (2000-2020). The US only added 1,552,022 people from 2018 to 2019. The trend line is down and will continue heading down due the demographic realities that exist today. Baby Boomers will start dying off in large number (it will start this decade) and Migration to the US is heading down.


https://www.census.gov/data/tables/t...al-areas.html#

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Those blips are common on the US yearly estimates. However, I still don't see Los Angeles going negative for a long period (2020-2030).
You're correct that numbers go up and down but it would be amiss to dismiss that fundamentals (Natural Increase, Net Migration) are changing. I see variation in annual LA CSA population change (like you do) but with most years (2020-2030) in negative territory. See above.
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It's not a culturally subjective issue of taste - typical contemporary North American suburban homes are objectively poorly designed, cheaply built structures made with a pastiche of architectural styles. It's about conveying a cartoonish illusion of affluence to the aesthetically illiterate; and elevating the desire for space above quality (ie. using lower-end finishes so you can build as big as possible).

And you're absolutely right - actual architects are rarely involved. They're usually done by "builders" with no formal background in design.

See: https://mcmansionhell.com/post/15189...-the-mcmansion
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Most new subdivision homes in the US, especially in the fast growing regions, are built by in very large numbers by developers as spec housing. Very few homes are built custom these days except in the wealthiest developments, and even there the home is usually built by a home-builder who offers a stock luxury product tweaked with custom features rather than a true architect designed original. The number of truly custom homes built in the US is really very small. I don't know much about the upscale Brazilian housing market, but I suspect that many or most of the homes there are architect designed and custom built.
Most single family housing in Brazil is custom, actually. The only examples of mass produced developments are generally government sponsored and are for home ownership equity in the poorest populations.
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