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If "We Are All Detroit," then Woodward Avenue Is Everyroad

If "We Are All Detroit," then Woodward Avenue Is Everyroad


July 13, 2021

By John Pattison

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To deal with congestion, the road was widened from four lanes to eight, which meant razing trees and demolishing buildings. Churches were cut in half. But widening Woodward Avenue into a modern “super highway” didn’t work out the way the project’s boosters (or the Detroit taxpayers) planned. The suburbs grew while the city itself hollowed out, and Woodward Avenue in Detroit began to crumble. Once the fourth-largest city in the U.S., Detroit has lost about two-thirds of its population since 1950. By 2013, the city Augustus Woodward envisioned as the grandest of the American interior was home to ”tens of thousands of abandoned buildings, vacant lots and unlit streets.” It was also groaning under a mountain of debt.

- Strong Towns president Chuck Marohn once wrote an article titled “We Are All Detroit.” The temptation, he said, is to dismiss Detroit as an outlier. But that’s the wrong lesson: Detroit isn’t different from us, just ahead of us. “The auto-centric style of development undermined the resiliency of the city,” Chuck wrote, “tearing down social, political, and financial strength that had made Detroit one of the world's greatest cities. Once this strength was undermined, once Detroit became a fragile city, it was only a matter of time.” A whole continent of towns and cities went all-in on the same development pattern, and, sure enough, many of them are now slipping inexorably toward a similar future if not outright bankruptcy then at least functional insolvency. — If “we are all Detroit,” then Woodward Avenue is Everyroad. At least that’s what came to mind when I read a recent story in Governing magazine called ”Small Cities Can’t Manage the High Cost of Old Infrastructure.” It describes how the mayor of Ferndale, Michigan a northern suburb of Detroit is trying to convert her city’s stretch of Woodward Avenue into a safer, more productive place. Mayor Melanie Piana recently explained in a webcast that the number one reason people move to Ferndale is for its walkability. But Piana also said that the number one complaint she gets from residents is that they feel uncomfortable and unsafe trying to get across the eight lanes of Woodward Avenue.

- The city has a plan to retrofit the Woodward corridor into something that, as Piana said, “knits our downtown together.” But the city can’t afford to do the work itself. The state of Michigan will only pay to maintain Woodward Avenue (M-1) in its current form. According to Governing: “Any efforts to pedestrianize parts of Woodward or efforts to calm traffic even studies to prepare for such moves have to be paid for with resources wrangled by the local government.” Ferndale has applied for a federal grant to help but, even if they get the grant, the city will have to contribute an additional $1.2 million in local funds, “about the amount the city spends on street maintenance for the whole municipality every year.” — This is why I started thinking about Woodward Avenue as Everyroad. All across the Northeast and Midwest, small cities and rural towns many of which had little margin to begin with can no longer afford to maintain or upgrade their aging infrastructure. Costs are going up even as the population and property tax base stagnate or decline. And these same phenomena are coming for other parts of the country, including the Sun Belt and where I live in the Pacific Northwest. — In many cases, more recently developed regions have leveraged population growth to get developers to build a lot of their necessary infrastructure. As a side effect, the consequences of the strict caps that states like California and Washington place on property tax increases were not felt.

- Today, however, population growth is slowing and developers are not on the hook to patch up the infrastructure they built decades ago. Property taxes revenues are not keeping up with regular expenditures, let alone expensive infrastructure investments. In this context, profound local infrastructure problems will not remain a Midwest and Northeastern issue. — So we can look again to Woodward Avenue as a harbinger of what’s to come. Sooner or later, municipalities everywhere will face the challenge of converting dangerous, expensive, and ultimately unproductive stroads into spaces that actually build financial strength and resilience for the community. Similar challenges will loom for other types of infrastructure, including our bridges, water and sewer systems, and more. — We’ll debate how to pay for those changes. For example, Mayor Piana’s webcast was with the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank making the case that President Biden’s America Jobs Plan is needed to help small cities rebuild and replace critical infrastructure. For his part, Strong Towns President Chuck Marohn wrote about the American Jobs Plan here, and we’ve produced other media about whether the federal government should spend now to hopefully make cities less reliant on Washington later. What’s clearer is that cities shouldn’t wait for urgent fiscal crisis or an act of Congress to begin. There are things you can do right now. The best time to start building your strong town was decades ago. The second best time is today.

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Old Posted Jul 17, 2021, 5:11 PM
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Crumbling infrastructure is common. Absurdly-wide surface streets that need complete rethinks are less common.
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That's a weird tie-in for Ferndale. Woodward in Ferndale is about twice the width that it is through most of Detroit, and it has probably been that wide for as long as Ferndale has existed. It was never intended to mimic the function of Woodward south of Six Mile Road.

North of McNichols Road (Six Mile Road), when it crosses back into Detroit from Highland Park, Woodward becomes what is essentially a parkway. This part of Detroit was one of the last areas to be annexed into the city, and it was pretty much all rural until the late 1920s. Woodward retains this parkway appearance after it crosses into Ferndale and throughout Oakland County. The parkway-like road mostly follows the original Woodward road/trail but it slightly deviates from the original route to preserve downtown Birmingham, which was originally a 19th century satellite town of Detroit. The original Woodward Avenue in Birmingham was renamed to Old Woodward Avenue, and the parkway routes around the town center.
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This is a fucking stupid think piece clearly written by a knucklehead who never stepped foot in Southeast Michigan and knows nothing about the history or current state of Woodward. Nor it's purpose, it's needs and how it is used.

There is nothing wrong with Woodward, Woodward is a thriving avenue that connects a metropolitan area of 6 million people and runs through some of the wealthiest places in North America (That part is conveniently omitted).

Main thoroughfares in large cities are supposed to be wide and grand, not dinky and awkward. That's good planning. And the decision to widen the road in the 1930's was a good one that made sense. The mistake that was forced on all of us were the highways, which should have never been built.

Ferndale can more than afford to renovate Woodward if they want to and they will. It's an a upper class suburb these days. Don't know what this dude is talking about.
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Crumbling infrastructure is common. Absurdly-wide surface streets that need complete rethinks are less common.
Wha wha what?? That is extremely common, this is 80% of the roads in the United States.
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most midwestern cities have loads of these. st. louis has lots of streets that once had neutral grounds and streetcars that have been paved over curb to curb.
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Main thoroughfares in large cities are supposed to be wide and grand, not dinky and awkward.
Woodward isn't even that wide until it becomes a parkway, and I'm not sure why people think it is abnormally wide. South of Six Mile Road, Woodward is 120 feet wide. For comparison, Park Avenue in Manhattan is 140 feet wide.
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I don't understand the article. its actually very unusual to have a massive boulevard in the middle of a US city (as opposed to farther afield in the suburbs), Detroit and maybe LA are the only ones that come to mind. and woodward is by far the most underutilized, for now.

most main urban commercial streets are far narrower.

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Woodward is wide and hard to cross, no doubt.

That fact alone isn't necessarily that unusual. What's unusual is that sort of road being a city's main business spine. You want something far more crossable for that.
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I don't understand the article. its actually very unusual to have a massive boulevard in the middle of a US city (as opposed to farther afield in the suburbs)
Wacker Drive and Park Avenue come to mind.

Queens Boulevard gets much wider than Woodward Avenue as well, but it's not particularly walkable. Northern Boulevard in Queens is the same width as Woodward south of Six Mile Road.
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Or grand concourse in the Bronx . But nyc is a different beast

Maybe broadway or Colfax in Denver ? But they are narrower than Woodward as well

In Portland there are many main commercial streets, mostly two lanes
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Woodward is wide and hard to cross, no doubt.

That fact alone isn't necessarily that unusual. What's unusual is that sort of road being a city's main business spine. You want something far more crossable for that.
But it's not. I haven't been to a major city where there isn't a major road cutting through the heart of town; The Champs-Élysées in Paris, Lake Shore Dr./ Michigan Ave in Chicago and Market St. in SF for example.
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The Champs-Elysees is experienced on one side or the other, not both. And aside from tourists it's not really a huge business street. It's famous but widely criticized. Paris plans to cut vehicle lanes by 50% after 2024.

Michigan Avenue is a good point. There are a lot of similarities including medians that make jaywalking easier. But it has more frequent crossings than Woodward (Woodward outside a core area). I also give some grace to high-pedestrian-volume places as that materially changes the walking experience, plus at crossings there's safety in being part of a big group. But it's also too wide.

Market has four lanes, typically.

Someone mentioned Park Avenue. It's not a very good retail street. The retail avenues seem to have about four regular lanes.
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I agree that a wide boulevard can, in theory, work, but you need extreme density, massive pedestrian/transit flow, super-wide sidewalks, etc. The major Detroit arterials won't work as vibrant urban corridors, except Woodward right downtown.

And Park Avenue/Grand Concourse/Eastern Parkway/Ocean Parkway/Queens Blvd. are residential boulevards. They don't have heavy pedestrian traffic. And they're just too different. Extremely high density, super wide medians/lawns, rail lines running underneath, 25 mph speeds, and the wide sidewalks are separated from thru-traffic by even slower local traffic & bike lanes.
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Wide boulevards like Woodward are an opportunity to add more on-street parking, providing a buffer between road traffic and pedestrian traffic, calming road traffic, reducing the demand for parking in lots and garages to make it easier for them to be redeveloped, which would increase the density and thus the walkability of the city. Wider boulevard also means more space for a transitway down the middle of the road for a modern LRT or BRT line.

More on-street parking and more transit are key to start getting rid of all those parking lots and garages, and such wide roads can be used to provide both. They are an opportunity for places like Detroit, not an obstacle.
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The Champs-Elysees is experienced on one side or the other, not both. And aside from tourists it's not really a huge business street. It's famous but widely criticized. Paris plans to cut vehicle lanes by 50% after 2024.

Michigan Avenue is a good point. There are a lot of similarities including medians that make jaywalking easier. But it has more frequent crossings than Woodward (Woodward outside a core area). I also give some grace to high-pedestrian-volume places as that materially changes the walking experience, plus at crossings there's safety in being part of a big group. But it's also too wide.

Market has four lanes, typically.

Someone mentioned Park Avenue. It's not a very good retail street. The retail avenues seem to have about four regular lanes.
It feels like we're talking about two different things. Are we talking about the width of Woodward Avenue, or are we talking about too many vehicular lanes? If we're talking about the latter then I agree that Woodward could use a road diet. That issue is also being somewhat addressed. But the width of it is just fine.
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The width of auto traffic (and even streetcars in some ways) is primarily what detracts from the pedestrian experience and function.

But retail theory also talks about the distance to stores and people across the street. The more you can see what's in the store window the better. And can you easily recognize a friend across the way without scanning like a hawk? Those are indicators.
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The width of auto traffic (and even streetcars in some ways) is primarily what detracts from the pedestrian experience and function.

But retail theory also talks about the distance to stores and people across the street. The more you can see what's in the store window the better. And can you easily recognize a friend across the way without scanning like a hawk? Those are indicators.
Woodward Avenue performed quite well as a retail corridor for many decades at this width. That is not the problem with it. If it were the problem then the avenues that run parallel to Woodward would be booming. In many ways, they fared even worse.
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Woodward Avenue performed quite well as a retail corridor for many decades at this width. That is not the problem with it. If it were the problem then the avenues that run parallel to Woodward would be booming. In many ways, they fared even worse.
I don't think anyone is saying that wide streets are the primary reason Detroit doesn't have much street-level vitality, just that it isn't helpful on the main arterials.

Woodward was widened north of downtown Detroit in 1936. The 1930's are really when the core parts of Detroit started stagnating/declining. Of course it took decades till that corridor was in really bad shape, but white flight (in the inner core) was already in full swing and areas like Brush Park and Cass Corridor were seedy, transient areas. Depopulation didn't happen till after 1967, really, but the auto-driving, affluent types were already abandoning the core SFH areas. Even Boston Edison was suffering.
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If there's one thing Detroit is getting good at, it's turning challenges into opportunities. You might call it evolving. The article doesn't tell the whole story - it ends the narrative in 2013. A lot has happened in 8 years. I could see light rail that has begun downtown being extended along the middle of Woodward to Ferndale one day. Or at least BRT, or dedicated bike lanes, etc.

Forbes just named Michigan the workplace of the future. With young talent coming back to Detroit and developments flourishing, the city might be glad it kept all of its massive avenues.
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