SAN DIEGO | Boom Rundown, Vol. 2

[roletand]

That building is affordable housing built by Father Joe's Villages. If original construction timelines stick, it should be done around this time next year.

Father Joe’s Breaks Ground On Affordable Housing High Rise

Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo

Got a picture of whatever is going up on 14th and Imperial while taking my sister to the Vaccine Super Station



Nice infill!

[dl3000]

Originally Posted by Will O' Wisp

True, but once can achieve density without overwhelming height. I've seen planning documents that show it's physically feasible for downtown San Diego to fit over 200k+ residents with population density greater than Manhattan, without removing the 500' limit. The trick is to increase FAR limits. Low and stocky is just as good at creating density as tall and thin, and often cheaper to boot.

Note: supporting populations larger than ~100k would require significant improvements in infrastructure, especially public transit. Downtown is currently scoped for 90k residents, about 3x its current population.

I'm too lazy to read into the community plans, but my guess would be aside from densifying downtown that there would be a more concerted push for more housing stock in Midway now that the 30' coastal zone height limit exemption was approved, parts of Mission Valley (Riverwalk/SDSU:MV), and perhaps portions of Bay Park (lots of NIMBYs but gets trolley) and UTC (I'm assuming they can accommodate more residential high-rises plus trolley). Basically follow the trolley for major environmental incentives for dense residential plus lower parking requirements.

Will, thank you for setting the record straight on the height limits. Are those part 77 surfaces translatable to any jet rated runway, as in: are the same offsets and heights applicable to Miramar and North Island just reoriented to the ends of their runways?

[Will O' Wisp]

Originally Posted by dl3000

I'm too lazy to read into the community plans, but my guess would be aside from densifying downtown that there would be a more concerted push for more housing stock in Midway now that the 30' coastal zone height limit exemption was approved, parts of Mission Valley (Riverwalk/SDSU:MV), and perhaps portions of Bay Park (lots of NIMBYs but gets trolley) and UTC (I'm assuming they can accommodate more residential high-rises plus trolley). Basically follow the trolley for major environmental incentives for dense residential plus lower parking requirements.

Will, thank you for setting the record straight on the height limits. Are those part 77 surfaces translatable to any jet rated runway, as in: are the same offsets and heights applicable to Miramar and North Island just reoriented to the ends of their runways?

Part 77 is applicable to any federally approved airport runway, regardless of size. However, the requirements are more stringent for military runways.

Which brings us to the subject of North Island, because I'm sorry to say San Diego International isn't the only one restricting the heights downtown...



Here's a diagram of North Island's part 77 surfaces. The surface in green is at 525.9' above sea level. As before, any building that breeches it is limited to just 500' in height. So if you got rid of San Diego International, the tallest thing you could build would be... 525.9'. Provided you built it at sea level, because every foot of ground height is a foot you lose in building height, until you reach 500' and then it doesn't matter anymore.

Honestly though, I tend to forget North Island's airspace restrictions exist because they come up so little. San Diego International has a more direct impact on downtown, and Coronado isn't exactly encouraging upward growth. The Authority only got around to approving an ALUCP for North Island in October, nearly 20 years after the state started mandating them. The delay was due to the lack of urgency to protect North Island's airspace, and Coronado's fear that any document that acknowledges they live near a military airbase will decrease home values.

[mello]

The massive 370 Unit Lennar Project at Park Blvd and the very west end of El Cajon Blvd is now fully under way. Huge density for University Heights

I have also seen some nice infill in the old parts of La Mesa as well. The Jefferson is the largest of the projects but there are a sprinkling of smaller ones as well.

Plus Otay Ranch (The giant empty lot behind the movie theatre at mall) now finally being filled with 900 Apartments. The East Side of Chula Vista is quietly becoming very built up. I was on a hill looking east towards the mall and the built environment looked chunky and impressive from that angle. Go CV go

Then down off the 905 and Caliente exit tons of stuff being built as well, the SouthSide is rising son!

[Nv_2897]

NEW PROPOSALS THREAD!
Toll Brothers are proposing "The Milano" which would be located in front of the new Carté Hotel. The tower would consist of 37 stories and have 356 apartments.



CA Ventures is proposing 800 broadway which would be located right behind Broadway Block by Bosa (8th and Broadway)



Cast Development is proposing "The Fellow" in East Village and would consist of 19 stories and have 129 apartments.



Bosa Development is proposing 8th and B and would consist of 40 stories and will have 514 apartments and have a 0.5-acre park.



Finally, we have Broadway Suites which would consist of 20 stories and have 317 hotel rooms.

[SDfan]

Thanks, Nv! Where did you find all these?

[mello]

Interesting, he is focusing on building rentals in the Core (Not really East Village) and not building his approved condo tower next to Pacific Gate or the one on the block he owns next to Harbor Club.

I've always hated that 8th and B surface parking lot caddy corner to Symphony Towers with a passion so I'm really hoping this one breaks ground before the bubble bursts.

Side Note: I was in Carlsbad and walked around extensively last Thursday and the Village is becoming slightly impressive. There are three new 4 floor developments that have wrapped up recently one is maybe 6 months away but the structure is up.

The downtown is really getting extended North along State St with one project wrapping up and a fairly major one that was approved in October and should break ground soon.

Last North County Note: The old hospital site of Pomerado Medical in downtown Escondido will finally be moving forward with 450 units on 13 acres... A bit underwhelming but hey its housing in their downtown. Heard a couple more projects in or near the downtown recently were approved.

[Nv_2897]

Originally Posted by SDfan

Thanks, Nv! Where did you find all these?

Yeah no problem ! They're from the Downtown Interactive Map (formerly Civic SD map) It seems that the city has updated it in terms of projects around downtown.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappvi...74826c0553c575

[dl3000]

Originally Posted by Will O' Wisp

Part 77 is applicable to any federally approved airport runway, regardless of size. However, the requirements are more stringent for military runways.

Which brings us to the subject of North Island, because I'm sorry to say San Diego International isn't the only one restricting the heights downtown...

IMG

Here's a diagram of North Island's part 77 surfaces. The surface in green is at 525.9' above sea level. As before, any building that breeches it is limited to just 500' in height. So if you got rid of San Diego International, the tallest thing you could build would be... 525.9'. Provided you built it at sea level, because every foot of ground height is a foot you lose in building height, until you reach 500' and then it doesn't matter anymore.

Honestly though, I tend to forget North Island's airspace restrictions exist because they come up so little. San Diego International has a more direct impact on downtown, and Coronado isn't exactly encouraging upward growth. The Authority only got around to approving an ALUCP for North Island in October, nearly 20 years after the state started mandating them. The delay was due to the lack of urgency to protect North Island's airspace, and Coronado's fear that any document that acknowledges they live near a military airbase will decrease home values.

Thanks for that! Really does look like 500' is the true limit even if SDIA up and left because of North Island since as you implied, ground elevation is in the 25' range where the 525'MSL limit kicks in so the Caltrans 500' limit triggers basically all over downtown. Oh Coronado...

[Will O' Wisp]

@mello: I recall an article from 2019 where he said development on the waterfront was overheated and PG was having difficulty filling up. By the looks of it that situation still stands.

@dl3000: The process was made even better by the military's tendency towards blunt honesty. Civilian organizations will bend over backwards to disassociate their language from what they actually do. They're "Airport Safety Comparability Zones" where "land use policies and standards should should be intended to reduce the adverse consequences of accidents". The military calls them Accident Potential Zones, tells you they've calculated there will be an average of one aircraft crash per 8.1 acres over a 30 year period, and say you should eliminate all housing in the area.

[HurricaneHugo]

Does anybody know what's getting built on Euclid Avenue south of the 94 and north of Market St (@ Hilltop)?

Seems to be a large project

[Streamliner]

Originally Posted by mello

The massive 370 Unit Lennar Project at Park Blvd and the very west end of El Cajon Blvd is now fully under way. Huge density for University Heights

Do you have any link to this project? A quick google search didn't reveal much. It's a great location for a good-sized project.

Originally Posted by Nv_2897

NEW PROPOSALS THREAD!
Toll Brothers are proposing "The Milano" which would be located in front of the new Carté Hotel. The tower would consist of 37 stories and have 356 apartments.

CA Ventures is proposing 800 broadway which would be located right behind Broadway Block by Bosa (8th and Broadway)

Cast Development is proposing "The Fellow" in East Village and would consist of 19 stories and have 129 apartments.

Bosa Development is proposing 8th and B and would consist of 40 stories and will have 514 apartments and have a 0.5-acre park.

Finally, we have Broadway Suites which would consist of 20 stories and have 317 hotel rooms.

A lot of uninspired designs in there (The Fellow is kind of cool though). But for Core projects that will serve to fill in skyline gaps, I say hurry up and build them!

[mello]

UT had a big article about financing for Hotel projects drying up in DT. Do you guys see Cisterra moving forward with 7/th and Market but instead of having the Ritz Carlton just make them regular condos at the top of the project?

Might as well rework the project a bit a build something in this cycle if you can.

Update on Escondido old Pomerado Site: 510 units on 14 acres.... Was approved for 800. Hopefully there is some nice park space or public amenities integrated in to it so downtown Escondido can have something nice.

Streamliner: No link to that project I got the 370 unit figure from the owner of a liqour store/deli on Park Blvd a couple blocks away. He is in the know, been the owner for 10 years.

UTC La Jolla Parcel just west of 805 (La Jolla Commons) the 3rd pad that has been empty for years now has a port o potty and earth moving equipment on it. Come on 3rd tower

[ND92103]

The University Heights project is called The Winslow and will have 379 units with 7 stories and one below grade parking level. A 15,000 square foot CVS and 542 parking spaces. It’s amenity package will include a pool, coworking space, private dog park, fireside lounge with catering kitchen and fitness center. They just received a $113 million construction loan which recently made the news. What Now San Diego just did an article with some great renderings but couldn’t figure out how to post them here.

[Streamliner]

Originally Posted by ND92103

The University Heights project is called The Winslow and will have 379 units with 7 stories and one below grade parking level. A 15,000 square foot CVS and 542 parking spaces. It’s amenity package will include a pool, coworking space, private dog park, fireside lounge with catering kitchen and fitness center. They just received a $113 million construction loan which recently made the news. What Now San Diego just did an article with some great renderings but couldn’t figure out how to post them here.

Thank you! I found the article here:
https://whatnowsandiego.com/cvs-to-a...hts-mixed-use/

The official brochure is here:
https://whtnwmg.sfo2.cdn.digitalocea...he-Winslow.pdf

Here are the photos:

[HurricaneHugo]

What project is going up just East of the downtown police station?

Huge hole in the ground right now

[Northparkwizard]

Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo

What project is going up just East of the downtown police station?

Huge hole in the ground right now

Makers Quarter: Block A. I think.

[SamFlood]

Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo

What project is going up just East of the downtown police station?

Huge hole in the ground right now

Its called Jefferson Makers Quarter

https://carrierjohnson.com/site-clea...arter-project/

[dl3000]

Well, the Terminal 1 replacement project at SAN is still rolling and appears to be on-time with the 8/2019 schedule
https://www.san.org/news/news-detail...tional-airport

[Streamliner]

Photo of the Horton Plaza redevelopment from reddit:



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