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3500 East, Bus Rapid Transit project ends months ahead of schedule

Faster buses » Upgrade includes dedicated bus lanes.


A $32 million makeover on 3500 South in West Valley City is done, clearing the way for rapid buses from Magna to the north-south TRAX line.

The Utah Department of Transportation on Friday dedicated its project eight months ahead of schedule. Work began a year ago.

The roadway from Bangerter Highway to 2700 West now includes three regular lanes in each direction and one each way exclusively for the Utah Transit Authority's first bus rapid transit line.

Crews laid fiber-optic lines and utilities before repaving the road with concrete and building curbs, gutters and sidewalks. Landscaping and decorative lighting are yet to be installed.

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FrontRunner South line to clear major hurdle this week

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SANDY -- The Utah Transit Authority will complete a key link on the high-speed rail to Utah County this week. It's an engineering challenge, with the FrontRunner tracks crossing the existing railroad tracks in the air.


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FrontRunner's south rail system is not a given. The tracks line is being built from the ground up. As the new line runs south through Salt Lake County, the rails are east of Union Pacific's rails; that is until about 9800 South. Here, it crosses, or "flies over," on a special bridge to run west of the existing rails.

"It made sense north of Salt Lake to be on the east side. As we get down here to the south, we need to be on the west side of the tracks, so we built this special structure to accommodate that," explained FrontRunner project manager Steve Meyer.

The flyover bridge is made up of 20 steel beams, 475 feet long and 31 and a half tons each. The crew working on the structure carefully placed a few of them Monday. The pieces are held in place by 172 bolts per splice, 40 feet in the air above the existing Union Pacific tracks.


Aerial view of FrontRunner South flyover from Chopper 5

The concrete piers are set 100 feet into the ground. The girders have post-tension wires through them, allowing for more weight.


Aerial view of FrontRunner South flyover from Chopper 5 "This is our biggest structure on the FrontRunner South project," Meyer said.

UTA is taking advantage of low construction costs and voter-approved tax increases to pay for the $960 million project.

"Anyone who has ever driven and been stuck in traffic knows we need alternatives to move people from south to north," said Utah spokesman Gerry Carpenter.

When it's complete, the FrontRunner South line will be part of the 45-mile commuter rail line between Ogden and Provo.

There's been a lot of progress on the line that runs between Utah County and the Intermodal Hub in Salt Lake City, but there's still a lot that needs to be done. The whole project isn't scheduled to be completed until late 2012.

The Frontrunner South project is one of five rail projects that UTA is building and are set to be open by 2015. The others are light-rail projects to West Valley, the airport, South Jordan and Draper.

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Rail still a hit in Utah

by davidwilson1949

by Transit Nerds

TRAX was once a gamble, but now it's solidly part of the Wasatch Front's future.

By Maria Villasenor
The Salt Lake Tribune



Work begins on the Trax extension to Salt Lake International Airport on the dedicated corridor
from 2400 West to the airporton Wednesday, September 2,2009 photo:
Paul Fraughton/ The Salt Lake Tribune


The night before the first TRAX train began shuttling people between downtown Salt Lake City and Sandy was
an agonizing one for Utah Transit Authority officials.


"We were worried, just worried," said UTA Assistant General Manager Mike Allegra. "I couldn't sleep because you
just didn't know if anybody would use it."

Allegra and UTA general manager John Inglish knew the Salt Lake Valley needed light rail, but numerous protests
and fervent opposition to TRAX persisted right up to the Dec. 4, 1999, opening.

That day, though, thousands of people crowded the then-Delta Center station to ride the trains along the 17-mile
route -- so many that the inaugural kinks included stranded people, trains stopped in the middle of tracks and
hundreds turned away.


It will be the 10-year anniversary of TRAX on Dec. 4th. TRAX operator Robbie Robinson a
31 year veteran employee of UTA and a TRAX driver for 10 years pulls into the City Center station wary of the
the three pedestrains running in front of the train. He has to be ready for anything. He said that he wishes he
trusted himself as much as pedestrians trust him to stop the train. (Al Hartmann / The Salt Lake Tribune 11/20/2009 )



It was a hit, Inglish said.

"That was so heartwarming, to see the community embrace this new alternative, this change," Allegra said.

In the decade since, that single north-south line has expanded to include lines to the University of Utah and a
downtown inter-modal hub, which links TRAX to the commuter rail, FrontRunner.

Also, more Utahns have hopped aboard the trains: About 500,000 people rode TRAX each month when it first
started; monthly ridership now exceeds a million.

Construction is under way to expand the network to 10 times its original reach.

That boom in construction and support for TRAX makes Inglish and Allegra chuckle when they stand at the 1300
South station and remember the day they broke ground at the stop and protesters shouted at them and held signs
claiming that "Light rail kills children."

Backbone of mass transit » UTA officials already have a broad vision for what the upcoming decades will hold. Train
tracks, either light or commuter rail, will be the backbone of a network that will include streetcars, buses and
bus-rapid transit, as well as pedestrian and bike ways across the Wasatch Front, Inglish said. Eventually, he wants
90 percent of the urban population within one mile of public transportation.


It will be the 10-year anniversary of TRAX on Dec. 4th. UTA Asst. General Manager Mike Allegra,
left, takes a ride on a TRAX light rail train with UTA General Manager John Inglish in downtown Salt Lake City. They
were the big architects behind TRAX and ultimately spreading rail across the Wasatch Front area.
(Al Hartmann / The Salt Lake Tribune 11/20/2009 )


"You won't need a car, but you'll still want to have one," Inglish said, adding the best transit solution is a mixture
of both.

For the past seven years, Joan Showalter's daily commute has been far simpler. The 56-year-old legal secretary
drives to the 10000 South stop in Sandy and rides TRAX to the Gallivan Center station.

The TRAX ride takes about 30 minutes, which is a bit longer than driving and was something Showalter had to
get
used to. Though the Sandy-to-Salt Lake City highway drive might be 13 minutes most of the time, rush hour is
another matter.

"It's a lot less stressful and I feel like I get something done during the day," she said while holding a book in her
seat at the front of a full car.

Showalter has seen public transportation avidly used in other areas, but she admits, "I never thought it would
work here because people are too attached to their cars ... it's been a pleasant surprise to see how it's worked."

That "love affair" Americans have with their cars is often touted, but Inglish said it's an idea that's overblown. Who,
he asked, can really be enamored with sitting in traffic and simmering with road rage?

Trains are convenient, frequent, reliable and speedy. "You have all of the elements that Americans are looking
for in a transportation system," Inglish said, adding light rail runs on schedule 98 percent of the time compared
with buses, which might top 80 percent.

The 'Phoenix project'» In the late 1970s, light-rail projects started appearing in various North American cities.
After traveling and studying those systems, Inglish thought trains could work in Utah, too. Plans began to grow
in 1984 for a Salt Lake County north-south line, but hit a bump in 1992 when voters rejected a sales tax hike
that would have funded construction on the light-rail corridor, as well as expanding the bus network and Interstate
15 improvements.

"We didn't have any funding, but we still had the same problem," said Allegra, about the growing congestion in
the county.

So, UTA continued pushing for light rail.

Though the up-front building costs are far greater with light rail than with buses, since the road is already in place,
trains are "the more economically viable option" in the long run, about 30 years, Inglish said.

Once networks have been built, each train car can haul 200 people, and most TRAX trips include links of four
cars.

Buses usually seat fewer than 75 people. Per trip, Inglish said, it costs $1.25 to move each person on light rail,
compared to between $3 and $4 on a bus.

With too little support from Salt Lakers, UTA turned to the federal government. A couple of months after Salt Lake
City was selected in 1995 to host the 2002 Winter Olympics, the Federal Transit Administration agreed to fund 80
percent of the capital costs on the $312 million project.

In 1997 construction began, and the following year, the four-lane Main Street was shut down to construct platforms
and tracks for the trains, as well as separate utility work.

"It was harrowing," said Catherine Weller, an owner of Sam Weller's Bookstore on Main Street, who saw other nearby
stores close down during that period. The problem was there was poor planning, she said, and Main Street hasn't
bounced back since then, though there have been other factors outside of TRAX affecting that.

"No matter how terrible it was," Weller said of construction, "we continue to be supporters of TRAX and mass
transit initiatives."

It's a support that has become more widespread, say UTA officials. Voters approved a quarter-cent sales tax
increase in 2000 and again in 2007 to accelerate TRAX construction.

"The public is stepping up," Inglish said. "They're saying, 'We want it now.' "

The early skepticism about TRAX has evolved into conservative business groups and local governments clamoring
to have rail running through their communities, he said.

"It's now a part of life, people expect it."

But rail doubts have lingered.

"I don't think it's done any great favors to transit down here," said Salt Lake City resident Stephen Pace, who led
the anti-rail group Utahns for Responsible Public Spending. He said UTA should have focused instead on buses that
have the same right-of-way preference over cars as trains, but are more flexible and require a less massive
investment.

Pace rails against the "so-called" elected officials who champion fiscally conservative values but are "just as deep
in the federal trough as anybody else" to fund TRAX extensions into their communities.

But that popular support is testament to TRAX's success, say regional planners.

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Getting there » There are TRAX extensions under construction that would run through Salt Lake City's west side,
West Valley City, Midvale, West Jordan and South Jordan. One is being proposed into Draper.

Also, TRAX trains have linked up to commuter rail. FrontRunner trains travel north to Pleasant View in Weber County,
and work has already started on a southern route that would transport people at freeway speeds to Provo.

"The suburbs are trying to serve residents wanting to get access," to mass transit, said planning director Gabe
Epperson of the sustainability group Envision Utah. "A lot of communities are changing city plans around existing
or future TRAX stops. They've changed their zoning and created transit-oriented development zones around their
stops."

Those TOD zones were touted more than a decade ago when TRAX was first proposed.

"It has started a little slower than we'd like," said UTA's Allegra. The plan was to have UTA and cities partner with
builders to create developments that mixed housing and businesses and supplied people with quick and close access
to public transit.

The Gateway in Salt Lake City is an example of such a project, but most cities are still far from seeing those
large-scale projects built.

"The economy is terrible, but it's perfect for the planning" aspect of these developments, said Allegra, noting
he has seen smaller housing and condominium buildings dot the TRAX corridor.

In Midvale, the Center Street housing development was meant to be a small-scale version of a TOD, but a
bank owns the unfinished project, said Mayor JoAnn Seghini.

But even in that city, a WinCo grocery store already opened at Bingham Junction, a multi-use project on a
203-acre site that was formerly contaminated.

"We pushed very hard to get [the Mid-Jordan TRAX line] so that it would go across what was a former Superfund
site," Seghini said, adding that light rail is a boon to economic development.

And more of those TOD projects will be needed as Utah doubles in size by 2040, said planner Epperson.

Keeping populations concentrated will mean far cheaper utility costs, he said, since building longer lines is more
expensive. Reducing the amount of developed land has a huge impact in helping conserve water and reducing
air pollution, Epperson added.

"That wouldn't be possible without the evolving and expanding rail system," he said.



Don't leave buses behind » But with the additions and expansions made in rail service, Main Street business owner
Weller said she hopes bus service isn't sacrificed for car-less or late-night workers or in working-class neighborhoods.

"I think that TRAX has succeeded as a tool for commuters," Weller said, adding she applauds UTA for that, though
many of her workers could use more frequent trains later in the day.

Commuters are what UTA should be addressing with light rail, said planner Epperson.

"We don't have a traffic problem as a region," he said, "our problem is with commuting."

Buses aren't as desirable for that kind of travel because they have to compete with road traffic, Epperson said.

Midvale resident Juan Carlos Ranjel uses buses or light-rail as his sole means of getting around. TRAX works well
for when the 50 year old works as a supervisor at a downtown restaurant or janitor at the University of Utah,
he said -- "It's the best. It's comfortable."

But when he wants to go to other parts of the valley, Ranjel takes buses and complains they run too infrequently
and that one trip to Layton took double the time getting back.

Changes are made to bus service, but UTA is legally mandated not to disproportionately affect low-income people
through changes, Inglish said.

Though routes have been altered and criticism has followed, those are often improvements that take people time to
get used to, he said.

In fact, Inglish added, light rail has helped increase the use of public transportation across UTA.

In the early '90s, about 25 percent of people had used mass transit in the past year, he said of a survey that was
repeated more recently since TRAX was available. Those subsequent numbers show around 75 percent of people
have used UTA.

Light rail has drastically shifted how many people look at public transportation, Inglish said. "It's hard to believe it's
10 years old." mariav@sltrib.com

The history and future of TRAX
From a controversial beginning, light rail has grown in ridership and expanded in reach. As TRAX celebrates
its 10th anniversary Friday, many communities are clamoring for TRAX
extensions and FrontRunner is providing the inter-city link up and down the Wasatch Front.



by Edgar Zuniga Jr.


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by Kevin Shieh


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SLC rolls out plan for downtown streetcars

.Business loop » Four potential routes unveiled; funding prospects best since Olympics.

By Derek P. Jensen
The Salt Lake Tribune


Salt Lake City wants to make the dusty black-and-white picture books of downtown bound to life.

Mayor Ralph Becker imagines a 21st-century version of the city's old streetcars snaking through the capital's
urban catacomb.

And, now, consultants hired by the city have four potential routes that -- depending on federal funding
-- one day may make it possible to traverse the business district on wheels without a car.

"The administration sees it as a key element in catalyzing development in downtown," says Becker spokeswoman
Lisa Harrison Smith. "It's definitely a high-level priority."

Subject to tweaks, the proposed alignments would zip streetcars from the Salt Lake Central transit station south
to 900 South, east to 500 East and right through downtown's heart -- passing by the Salt Palace Convention
Center and planned City Creek Center. The lines would be designed to swell ridership on the Utah Transit Authority
bus and rail network and serve as a "circulator," ferrying people between downtown TRAX stations and the
FrontRunner hub.

An open house to let residents weigh in on the streetcar paths is scheduled Monday from 4 to 6 p.m. at City Hall.

"I'm thrilled that the city is taking the time to look at a variety of different routes," says Jason Mathis, executive
director of the Downtown Alliance, "and asking for input from residents, commuters, business owners and property
owners."

Mathis notes the streetcar system in Portland, Ore., has "demonstrably" boosted business growth, night life and
living spaces -- and should provide the same vibrancy here.

"Our goal is for people to drive downtown, park once, then be able to access every part of the city without driving,"
Mathis says. "A streetcar system seems like a very elegant solution."

The city also is plotting a Sugar House route near 2200 South along an existing railroad corridor from roughly 1050
East to the Central Pointe TRAX station at 200 West. Officials will find out in January or February whether they have
landed some $30 million in federal funds for that streetcar.

Of course, the biggest blockade to all the lines is manufacturing the millions for construction. But Len Simon,
the city's Washington lobbyist, says the climate in Congress under the Obama administration seems advantageous
for the city to snag some streetcar funding.

"The best that I've seen since really the [2002] Olympic days," he told the City Council this week.

Simon predicts the city will have "three or four ongoing windows" -- from annual appropriations to stimulus cash
to increased transportation budgets -- to secure federal dollars.



The total price tag is unclear and depends on whether routes would be built simultaneously. According to
redevelopment documents, city officials also hope to "leverage" new development alongside streetcars to pay
for them.

Earlier this year, executives from City Hall toured Portland, Seattle and Vancouver, Canada, to examine those cities'
streetcar systems. On a subsequent Northwest trip, Utah business owners raved about the stimulus achieved through streetcars.

Scott Beck, president of the Salt Lake Convention and Visitors Bureau, is a "huge proponent" of the plan. But he is
pushing the city to consider a streetcar corridor extending along West Temple from 600 South to South Temple.

"West Temple is just a real main artery for us," he says. "We suggest they look at the density of where the visitors
are."

Beck argues that street serves as the gateway to hotels, the convention center, Temple Square and the planned
$1.5 billion City Creek Center.

The second biggest corridor for visitors, Beck says, is 200 South, which is slotted for a streetcar -- if planners find
the dollars.


Downtown streetcar open house
Salt Lake City officials are seeking feedback on four proposed downtown streetcar routes. An open house, staged by
the city's Redevelopment Agency, is scheduled Monday from 4 to 6 p.m. on the first floor of City Hall, 451 S.
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The streetcar lines in and around the CBD and Salt Lake
central neighborhoods is fantastic news. It would be one of the
best things that could happen in a long time in moving Salt Lake
agressively forward as a premier city to both visit and live in. I
hope that Mayor Becker and the community leaders are able to
accomplish this wish list in as impressive a way as we have seen
over the past ten years with TRAX and FrontRunner.

The Streetcar systems visited and applauded by local leaders, in places
such as Bordeaux and Paris have a very positive vibe in how they
affect their neigborhoods. It's a vibe that will fit well with Salt Lake
City's historical icons, and it's many beautiful recent projects. Street
Cars will be a huge step in making Salt Lake a more intimate, walkable,
and charming city. Add trolleys to the current mix of TRAX and FrontRunner,
and there will be no stopping SLC!!

Bordeaux, France

Trams in the center of Bordeaux run catenary-free, taking power from the 3rd rail. That rail is divided into section and a section is only powered when the tram runs above it. This way the 3rd rail is safe for pedestrians./photographed by vudu rebel

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Salt Lake City secures funding for North Temple viaduct rebuild
December 6th, 2009 @ 3:50pm
By John Daley

SALT LAKE CITY -- Progress on a key TRAX line set to connect downtown to the airport is gaining steam. Salt Lake City has pulled together the financing for the rebuild of a major component of the line -- the viaduct over the railroad tracks at North Temple.

For months it stymied city officials. How to fund the key element of 6-mile line from downtown to the airport -- the rebuild of the North Temple viaduct?

Now, Salt Lake City mayor Ralph Becker says the city has cobbled together $71 million from the legislature, the federal stimulus package, a special improvement district and other sources for a project which promises to dramatically change the entire corridor.

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Great to see that they've pulled together the money needed to rebuild the viaduct and see some new renderings.
I think that the N. Temple transfer station is going to be the last nail in the Central Station's coffin.
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Southern Metro - I-15 expansion barreling south

$1.7B project will extend from Lehi to Spanish Fork

by Marc Haddock
of the Deseret News



by TonyAnderson

Utah County received an early Christmas present Wednesday — plans for 24 miles of good road, 10 rebuilt or refurbished freeway interchanges and 55 rebuilt or restored bridges.

The Utah Department of Transportation announced that the Utah County I-15 corridor expansion will extend from Lehi's Main Street to Spanish Fork's Main Street, adding two lanes in both directions to the existing freeway, and the project will be completed two years earlier than planned...


Construction will begin in the spring and should be completed by December 2012.

Provo River Constructors, a consortium of contractors and engineers, beat out two other groups for the $1.7 billion project in a fixed-price, best-design bidding process that resulted in a deal for the state, according to project director Dal Hawks.

"All along, we felt confident that we could afford to build a project from American Fork to the Provo Center Street interchange," Hawks said. "These proposals really did what we hoped. All three did an excellent job. We think we picked a contractor who proved the very best possible value for the state."

Hawks said the Provo River proposal is driver friendly, fast and will deliver a superior road surface.

For one thing, Provo River plans to keep existing freeway lanes open throughout the construction process, easing fears that the project could create massive traffic jams.

"They made some very good strategies for maintaining traffic flow," Hawks said.

For another, the consortium will use concrete pavement designed to last 40 years.

"This project is quality throughout," said Heather Barnum, the corridor expansion project's spokeswoman. "This is above the 20-year or 30-year product that we had expected. It will improve the state's investment."

Barnum said the economic downturn worked for the stateby creating a favorable bidding environment.

"We asked the bidders to tell us what they could give us within the budget given by the Legislature," she said. "They came back with more than we supposed we could get."

The project is designed to meet travel demands on the 24-mile stretch through 2030.

The Provo River consortium is headed by Fluor Corp., Ames Construction, Ralph L. Wadsworth Construction and Wadsworth Brothers Construction.

Other companies bidding on the project included one led by Kiewit Western and one led by Flatiron Constructors, Skanska USA and Zachry Construction.


Highlights of the project include:

- Two additional travel lanes in both directions from Lehi's Main Street to U.S. 6, and one additional lane from U.S. 6 to 6800 South in Spanish Fork.

- An extension of the express lane from University Parkway in Orem to Spanish Fork in both directions.

- A rebuild of seven freeway interchanges, with modifications to another three, and the replacement or widening of 55 aging bridges, including the Sam White's Lane Bridge near American Fork, which was torn down after it was hit by a truck in November 2008.

- A pedestrian overpass to Utah Valley University across University Parkway in Orem.

- Provo's Center Street interchange will remain open during construction.


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Why are they expanding highway capacity if they want to get people on transit?

That does not sound like a good move at all.
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i love how that bordeaux tram operates on underground conduit, yet the safety sign shows a tram with a pantograph. shows how unique the bordeaux system really is.
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Does anyone know when the new TRAX LRT's will go into service? I love SLC's transit plans but the old TRAX LRT's are exactly that.
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Why are they expanding highway capacity if they want to get people on transit?

That does not sound like a good move at all.
Salt Lake/Ogden/Provo is one of the few metro areas that "gets it." They are doing a balanced approach which includes dozens of miles of new freeway, arterials, and rail.

Rail can't take people everywhere. Likewise, roads can't handle 100% of the crushing volume that the city may see in its rush hours in decades to come. Building a little bit of everything helps make the system actually work.

Los Angeles: Picked roads over transit. Average speed in rush hour: 35 MPH.
Portland, Ore.: Picked transit over roads. Average speed in rush hour: 35 MPH.

In the end people should ride transit because it is convenient, not because we purposefully made the roads inconvenient. Doing that is, in my opinion, forced social engineering and definitely wrong. So, we give people options, build the best transit system possible, and watch people happily ride it voluntarily!

Here's hoping SLC, which picked BOTH transit and highways simultaneously will have a rush hour speed of more like 55-65 MPH.
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Does anyone know when the new TRAX LRT's will go into service? I love SLC's transit plans but the old TRAX LRT's are exactly that.
2012 is when the new lines start to open, with new cars. I suspect you will start seeing them in about 18 months on the existing lines, to make sure they are all good to go. they require some retrofitting because the new platforms are different than the old ones.
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Why are they expanding highway capacity if they want to get people on transit?

That does not sound like a good move at all.
Also, the freeway expansion here is for the metro area south of Salt Lake. They don't currently have light rail like Salt Lake County does. They have a commuter rail opening in 2012 though.
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Salt Lake/Ogden/Provo is one of the few metro areas that "gets it." They are doing a balanced approach which includes dozens of miles of new freeway, arterials, and rail.

Rail can't take people everywhere. Likewise, roads can't handle 100% of the crushing volume that the city may see in its rush hours in decades to come. Building a little bit of everything helps make the system actually work.

Los Angeles: Picked roads over transit. Average speed in rush hour: 35 MPH.
Portland, Ore.: Picked transit over roads. Average speed in rush hour: 35 MPH.

In the end people should ride transit because it is convenient, not because we purposefully made the roads inconvenient. Doing that is, in my opinion, forced social engineering and definitely wrong. So, we give people options, build the best transit system possible, and watch people happily ride it voluntarily!

Here's hoping SLC, which picked BOTH transit and highways simultaneously will have a rush hour speed of more like 55-65 MPH.

I get what you mean, and I believe in a balanced approach and that transit should attract people because it is good.
But in the end a city also has to choose which way they want to go. And building highways does defeat the purpose and actually reduces the number of people who will choose transit, if they know they have a freeway to use.

Almost all the cities with amazing transit use have restricted highway expansion to a degree. No matter how good transit is, highways always win.
We just talked about this very topic in my transportation planning class, and the book we had to read actually talked about how building highway capacity always reduces transit ridership. Because people will drive, no matter how good transit is.
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Salt Lake/Ogden/Provo is one of the few metro areas that "gets it." They are doing a balanced approach which includes dozens of miles of new freeway, arterials, and rail.

Rail can't take people everywhere. Likewise, roads can't handle 100% of the crushing volume that the city may see in its rush hours in decades to come. Building a little bit of everything helps make the system actually work.

Los Angeles: Picked roads over transit. Average speed in rush hour: 35 MPH.
Portland, Ore.: Picked transit over roads. Average speed in rush hour: 35 MPH.

In the end people should ride transit because it is convenient, not because we purposefully made the roads inconvenient. Doing that is, in my opinion, forced social engineering and definitely wrong. So, we give people options, build the best transit system possible, and watch people happily ride it voluntarily!

Here's hoping SLC, which picked BOTH transit and highways simultaneously will have a rush hour speed of more like 55-65 MPH.
Excellent post.

I would only add that adding highway capacity up to something like 8 lanes in a growing and urbanizing city is probably a good idea to do while it's still 'affordable' to do so. Regardless of what happens to the price of oil, we'll be pushing something down those roads for decades to come.



And I just had to say, this is my favorite pic of SLC ever...
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Excellent post.

I would only add that adding highway capacity up to something like 8 lanes in a growing and urbanizing city is probably a good idea to do while it's still 'affordable' to do so. Regardless of what happens to the price of oil, we'll be pushing something down those roads for decades to come.



And I just had to say, this is my favorite pic of SLC ever...
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HOV and HOT lanes also work well to increase passenger capacity. On 6-lane freeways, a rush hour HOV/HOT lane in each direction is best, and on 8-lane freeways, a full-time HOV/HOT lane in each direction is best.

Depending on usage, the order should be HOV-2/toll, HOV-3/toll or HOV-2, HOV-3, HOV-4 (in extreme cases).

Beyond 8 general lanes or 10 total lanes including auxiliary lanes (which has an AADT capacity around 180,000), highways also become difficult to manage due to downstream congestion on surface streets. At that point, alternate routes or transit options are necessary - transit options for sure if the traffic is all headed to the same general areas (such as large suburbs to a downtown area).
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That's my favorite of SLC too
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That is a cool pic. What's cooler is there's three new towers in that same view as of now.
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Why are they expanding highway capacity if they want to get people on transit?

That does not sound like a good move at all.
Because the vast majority of people will never take transit. And with how the area is growing they need the capacity.
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Excellent post.

I would only add that adding highway capacity up to something like 8 lanes in a growing and urbanizing city is probably a good idea to do while it's still 'affordable' to do so. Regardless of what happens to the price of oil, we'll be pushing something down those roads for decades to come.



And I just had to say, this is my favorite pic of SLC ever...


It'd be nicer if your could see the mountains to the west of downtown. Or from the angle would it just be the GSL?
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That is a cool pic. What's cooler is there's three new towers in that same view as of now.
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