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Old Posted Nov 11, 2020, 12:52 AM
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Over on Dallas Metropolis they’re oh-so skeptical.
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2020, 1:27 AM
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Over on Dallas Metropolis they’re oh-so skeptical.
Yea, there's a lot of high rise proposals around the core right now. It will be interesting to see which ones actually come into fruition, if any.

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Old Posted Nov 11, 2020, 1:49 AM
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Yea, there's a lot of high rise proposals around around the core right now. It will be interesting to see which ones actually come into fruition, if any.
It does seem to be the case that the world is moving to Texas though.
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2020, 1:56 AM
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It does seem to be the case that the world is moving to Texas though.
True, absolutely bizarre that one of the fastest growing and largest cities in the US couldn't pull this off, or much more.

Covid is one thing but this would start in a couple of years, correct?
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2020, 2:13 AM
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True, absolutely bizarre that one of the fastest growing and largest cities in the US couldn't pull this off, or much more.

Covid is one thing but this would start in a couple of years, correct?
Dallas is a very cautious market when it comes to building and you don't see a whole lot of spec office space, etc.. Also, the large amount of land in the burbs for large mixed use campuses also pulls attention away from the city center. Add in neighborhoods with height and density restrictions and there you go.
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Dallas is a very cautious market when it comes to building and you don't see a whole lot of spec office space, etc.. Also, the large amount of land in the burbs for large mixed use campuses also pulls attention away from the city center. Add in neighborhoods with height and density restrictions and there you go.
It's unfortunate, Dallas sized cities in other countries can build tons of skyscrapers, here in the US we seem to struggle to get even a normal sized one off the ground (outside of NYC and maybe Chicago).

How far is this development from the main downtown?

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I’m actually astonished at how building continues apace and new proposals continue to be brought forward.
I think a lot of developers are already planning ahead for post Covid times (if that'll even exist) and want to seize the opportunity when things are seemingly slow.
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That will be tough considering The Killeen-Temple area is growing faster to the South than it is to the North. I feel the Killeen-Temple area will combine with Austin before it combines with Waco and that's because of it's close proximity to Georgetown.
Yeah, I can see that as well.
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Here is more renderings includes a night view.
https://candysdirt.com/2020/11/10/oa...and-night-sky/
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It's unfortunate, Dallas sized cities in other countries can build tons of skyscrapers, here in the US we seem to struggle to get even a normal sized one off the ground (outside of NYC and maybe Chicago).

How far is this development from the main downtown?



I think a lot of developers are already planning ahead for post Covid times (if that'll even exist) and want to seize the opportunity when things are seemingly slow.
It's a block from what is technically the CBD on the other side of Woodall Rodgers Freeway that divides the two neighborhoods.
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I really like the placement of these. Have we seen what they would do with the street grid especially between Field and Houston streets? I've always been curious about that and it seems like they must have a 2D plan for that area.
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It's a block from what is technically the CBD on the other side of Woodall Rodgers Freeway that divides the two neighborhoods.
That's a good location, it will extend the skyline a lot.

Hopefully it's not a pipe dream and gets approved.

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Isn't this basically in the CBD if it's a block away, are there really that many restrictions here?

Dallas is huge, they can't have their burb projects and something like this? It's in any city's best interest to urbanize the core and reduce sprawl.
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That's a good location, it will extend the skyline a lot.

Hopefully it's not a pipe dream and gets approved.



Isn't this basically in the CBD if it's a block away, are there really that many restrictions here?

Dallas is huge, they can't have their burb projects and something like this? It's in any city's best interest to urbanize the core and reduce sprawl.
This 11 acre site has no height restrictions and the development company has a proven track record.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2020, 6:51 PM
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This 11 acre site has no height restrictions and the development company has a proven track record.
That's good to know, I wonder why there's so much skepticism then.

Hunt Realty looks legit, not the type of people to throw out some troll project.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2020, 8:09 PM
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That's good to know, I wonder why there's so much skepticism then.

Hunt Realty looks legit, not the type of people to throw out some troll project.
I think it may have to do with expectations.

A lot of people in Dallas feel like they’ve seen this movie before. Just recently there was the Ross Perot supertall that was proposed and fades away without any updates. They were looking for a tenant but the office market right now almost certainly isn’t helping their cause.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc.../226041/%3famp

Before that there was the Smart District, which had a very tall building possibly a supertall but nothing ever materialized.

https://dallas.towers.net/2017/11/03...ment-downtown/

Before that was Hillwood’s twin supertalls but the FAA killed that one because it was in an area with serious height restrictions. Hillwood is a credible developer but once the FAA axes your plans then you’re done.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.red...pers_proposed/

Back a few decades ago there was a twin of the BOA tower planned but never came to be (BOA is Dallas’ tallest building).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dal...outputType=amp

Most Dallasites have seen really tall building plans concocted but never materialize. So there’s a bit of skepticism about whether anything tall will get built anytime a tall building is proposed, regardless of how credible the developer is. It’s sorta a “well let’s wait and see” attitude.

But this one is different. No height restrictions on this site. The tallest building is residential instead of office (office space has lots of vacancies throughout the US due to coronavirus and WFH, it’ll take some time to fill up existing supply before there is demand to build more). So this one is very likely to move forward. Residential and even hotel towers are either still going strong (residential) or is expected to make a strong recovery once the pandemic eases (hotel). Even though it won’t be a new tallest for Dallas, a new #2 tallest would be a welcome addition to the skyline. Especially because it comes in a large cluster with other tall buildings also proposed. This is like what happened with Seattle. They didn’t get a new tallest to surpass the Columbia Center but they are building a new #2 tallest in the city.

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Old Posted Nov 12, 2020, 9:19 PM
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Good thoughts, N90. This one may be different.
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Old Posted Dec 2, 2020, 9:34 PM
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The City of Fort Worth plans to purchase the former headquarters of Pier 1 Imports for use as a new City Hall. The Duda-Paine designed skyscraper is one of the most recognized landmarks in the city.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/fo...owTwt_DFWBrand
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Downtown Dallas hotel high-rise starts next week



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Developers are breaking ground next week on a new downtown Dallas luxury hotel.

Plano-based Sam Moon Group is building the 283-room JW Marriott hotel on Ross Avenue across the street from the Trammell Crow Center office skyscraper.
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The City of Fort Worth plans to purchase the former headquarters of Pier 1 Imports for use as a new City Hall. The Duda-Paine designed skyscraper is one of the most recognized landmarks in the city.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/fo...owTwt_DFWBrand
BRILLIANT move on their part.
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Ground broken for the 27-story Urby apartment tower. This will be the first of two towers planned for the almost four-acre lot.

https://www.concreteamsterdam.nl/dallas-urby
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