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Old Posted Dec 8, 2022, 7:04 PM
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btw -- i found cleveland has 124 murders for 2022 as of sept 30th, down from 132 last year.

so thats the right direction to be going at least.
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Old Posted Dec 31, 2022, 7:28 PM
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Hope emerges as homicides dip in Los Angeles

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Hope emerges in 2022 as homicides dip in Los Angeles


Crime emerged as a key issue in local elections, as political ads often painted Los Angeles as a failed state where violent criminals have free rein.(Myung J. Chun / Los Angeles Times)

BY LIBOR JANY | STAFF WRITER
DEC. 31, 2022 5 AM PT

After one of its deadliest stretches in recent memory, Los Angeles will end 2022 with fewer homicides and shootings than in 2021, sparking hope that the surge in violent crime over the previous two years is flattening.

The number of killings stood at 373 citywide through Christmas Eve — still well above pre-pandemic levels but a 6% decrease from the same time last year, according to preliminary statistics compiled by the Los Angeles Police Department. The city logged 397 homicides last year — its largest total since 2006.

The number of people struck by gunfire also fell 8% compared with the same period last year.

Police officials have attributed the turnaround in part to improved community involvement and closer cooperation with other law enforcement agencies.

The year began on an ominous note, with the pace of killings through the first few months threatening to eclipse the 15-year high set in 2021. Through April 30, there were 122 homicides in L.A., including the orchestrated shooting of a man by a suspect who police say flew in from Texas and the death of a man gunned down at a cemetery.

Several high-profile homicides, like the daytime slaying of rapper PnB Rock, who was fatally shot at Roscoe’s House of Chicken & Waffles in South L.A., fueled reports in the news and on social media about the city’s growing lawlessness. But the bloodshed abated somewhat in the ensuing months.

After steadily dropping from the highs of the early 1990s, when bloody gang wars drove homicides to more than 1,000 a year, violent crime spiked in L.A. in the first two years of the pandemic. Other cities saw similar increases as COVID shutdowns increased unemployment and exacerbated the affordable housing crisis.

Anastasiia Timmer, a criminology professor at Cal State Northridge, said that even as the hardships brought on by the pandemic are still being felt, the effects on crime may recede over time as people adapt to “cumulative stresses.”

“Maybe now we see less violent behavior, because stress also reaches its ‘ceiling effect,’” said Timmer, who with a group of colleagues has embarked on a study of how global events such as war or pandemic affect crime rates in six countries, including the U.S. “People adjust to living with COVID, even though it’s still there.”

She questioned whether the crime data released by the LAPD accurately reflect reality or is being underreported, at a time when trust in law enforcement hit new lows after the murder of George Floyd in 2020.

The horror of watching Floyd gasping for air under the knee of a Minneapolis police officer led to a mass protest movement across the country. Such abuses, experts say, can encourage people to take the law into their own hands, rather than turn to a criminal justice system that they view as not legitimate.

Some experts argue that with the U.S. opening back up, the likely causes of the spikes in violence nationwide are easing as the pandemic abates. For example, many social services that kept people safe are back up and running, and most schools are back to in-person learning, leaving fewer adolescents unsupervised with idle time on their hands.

But criminologists, police officials and other experts also caution that any single year can be an aberration, and the causes of the 2020 and 2021 spikes may never be fully understood.

LAPD officials have been measured in their reaction to the drop in homicides and shootings. In public appearances, Police Chief Michel Moore has repeatedly praised the Community Safety Partnership, a program started in 2011 that dedicates officers to working with community members in high-crime neighborhoods.

Recent months have also seen a decline in so-called follow-home robberies, in which armed crews target and rob wealthy Angelenos after spotting them at high-end hotels, restaurants and clubs. Authorities say they believe that multiagency task forces aimed at cracking down on these robberies and on ghost guns are also working.

Crime emerged as a key issue in local elections, as political ads often painted Los Angeles as a failed state where violent criminals have free rein.

Mayor Karen Bass, who defeated a tough-on-crime candidate to become the city’s first female chief executive, ran on pushing a public health response to violence. Earlier this year, she released a plan that calls for hiring hundreds of new police officers, while also emphasizing structural issues and enhancing the economic and social vitality of communities.

In Los Angeles, violent crime was up less than 1% compared with Dec. 24 of last year. While most other categories showed declines, robberies were up 7% citywide. The police bureaus that cover South L.A., the San Fernando Valley and downtown and the city’s East Side all saw double digit increases in robberies, LAPD statistics show.

Property crimes through Dec. 24 were up about 10% from 2021, with the downtown and Rampart areas seeing the biggest jumps. Meanwhile, burglaries went up 12.5%. Motor vehicle thefts rose more than 5% over last year and more than 20% over 2020.

South L.A., home to neighborhoods fractured by decades of governmental neglect that were hardest hit by the gang wars of the 1990s, is again bearing the brunt of the city’s bloodshed. But fewer lives were lost there than last year, with homicides down 15% in South Bureau, which also includes San Pedro. The number of people struck by gunfire was down 22%, department data show.

A department spokeswoman wrote in an email that the crime statistics available on the LAPD’s website are preliminary, with the final numbers publicly announced early next year.

Some major U.S. cities have seen similar declines. In Houston, the police chief announced in a news conference in November that violent crime had fallen 8.5% compared with the same time in 2021. On the other hand, Philadelphia is on pace to eclipse last year’s homicides, and the number of robberies have more than doubled over since last year.

In areas patrolled by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, homicides declined from 263 to 178 through November, the most recent month for which data were available. In the same period, however, robberies and aggravated assaults rose 26% and 13%, respectively. Burglaries were up 36%.

The city of Compton saw a 54% drop in homicides this year through November, from 35 to 16, but robberies were up 25% and burglaries increased by 43%, according to sheriff’s statistics.

In West Hollywood, which passed a controversial plan to decrease the number of sheriff’s deputies in favor of unarmed security guards, robberies increased by 15%, aggravated assault by 25% and larceny theft by 90%.

While deadly violence remains a problem in some neighborhoods, LAPD Capt. Adrian Gonzalez of South Bureau Homicide said his detectives are solving more cases, a possible sign that residents in areas plagued by crime may be starting to trust police more after the tumult of the past few years. A reduction in gang violence has resulted in fewer homicides and shootings, he said.

The pandemic is almost certainly to blame for the earlier increases, but easy answers for why crime falls or rises are hard to come by, he said.

“A lot of tension, people being inside [because of] COVID, people just experiencing a lot of loss, and not just through death, but jobs and schools and connections with family and all those different things,” he said.

Fernando Rejón, executive director of L.A.’s Urban Peace Institute, said the drop in homicides is encouraging. But considering the recent decadelong stretch with less than 300 homicides a year, there is much more work to do, he said.

Urban Peace is part of a coalition that unveiled a crime-fighting blueprint earlier this year, calling for the restoration of funding for gang outreach cut during the pandemic.

“Any life saved, you can’t even put a measurement on that,” he said.



Link: https://www.latimes.com/california/s...robberies-rose
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Old Posted Dec 31, 2022, 8:34 PM
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Compton dropping down to 16 murders is insane. I can see it dropping under 10 next year. And La's murder rate since June must be near pre covid levels. Most of the murders took place in beginning of the year.
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“The number of killings stood at 373 citywide through Christmas Eve“

It still amazes me when I see numbers like that and hear people talking about ”out-of-control” murder rates. I remember when Houston had 701 murders in 1981. And the metro population at the time was only 2.5 million. LA Times states there were 777 in Los Angeles in 1985.
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Old Posted Dec 31, 2022, 10:52 PM
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“The number of killings stood at 373 citywide through Christmas Eve“

It still amazes me when I see numbers like that and hear people talking about ”out-of-control” murder rates. I remember when Houston had 701 murders in 1981. And the metro population at the time was only 2.5 million. LA Times states there were 777 in Los Angeles in 1985.
Classic fear mongering crap from the media. Hell, it's on this forum. The fear mongering is out of control.
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Old Posted Jan 1, 2023, 2:30 AM
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“The number of killings stood at 373 citywide through Christmas Eve“

It still amazes me when I see numbers like that and hear people talking about ”out-of-control” murder rates. I remember when Houston had 701 murders in 1981. And the metro population at the time was only 2.5 million. LA Times states there were 777 in Los Angeles in 1985.
The article posted above says there were 1,000+ murders a year in Los Angeles in the early 1990s. Obviously 373 isn't great, but it's nowhere near as bad as the rate was then, especially considering that the city's population has increased about 400,000 since then.
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On the other hand, Philadelphia is on pace to eclipse last year’s homicides, and the number of robberies have more than doubled over since last year.

And car jackings are way up, we hit 1000 in October (328% increase by Nov.) so the count for the year will be gross. I know many people that were touched by violence and/or property crime in 2022 that now it's almost more surprising when I talk to someone who hasn't been a victim of something crazy.

This is good to see for LA and I hope that we can get our act together this year.
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It would have been nice if the media would have reported on this, but nope, most Americans think crime is rising when crime is declining.

It would have been nice if the Dems countered right wing attacks, but nope, completely ineffectual.

A huge proportion of Americans believe crime is rising and we have open borders. Not sure how to get through to people blinded by misinformation.
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Old Posted Jan 1, 2023, 6:51 PM
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On the other hand, Philadelphia is on pace to eclipse last year’s homicides, and the number of robberies have more than doubled over since last year.

And car jackings are way up, we hit 1000 in October (328% increase by Nov.) so the count for the year will be gross. I know many people that were touched by violence and/or property crime in 2022 that now it's almost more surprising when I talk to someone who hasn't been a victim of something crazy.

This is good to see for LA and I hope that we can get our act together this year.
Yeah its a shame. Philly just blew up the minute folks started to wander outside when Covid was finally managed. Every day my news feed blows up with stories from Philly. It's really a travesty what is going on.

You literally have to have your hand on the revolver when driving through Philly.

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Chicago just finished another year with a staggering amount of homicides, but at least the total was ~15% lower than 2021.
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It would have been nice if the media would have reported on this, but nope, most Americans think crime is rising when crime is declining.

It would have been nice if the Dems countered right wing attacks, but nope, completely ineffectual.

A huge proportion of Americans believe crime is rising and we have open borders. Not sure how to get through to people blinded by misinformation.
Countering these attacks is bad strategy when done face first—it just keeps the media talking about crime, which is an issue which Republicans are going to win on the margins.

Better to be strategic and dangle other topics in front of the media to lure them away from crime altogether. The best counter possible is to seize on every possible moment to amplify gun control, and then to consequently wrap the media into discussing gun control vis-a-vis crime. That way we shift the mindset away from “crime” per se to “gun control,” which is a winner for Democrats at least as far as the core constituencies of the party are concerned AND swing white suburbanites (ie soccer moms).
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NYC had some loon attacked three cops with a machete last night. Aside from gun control, many states need to put programs to mitigate the loons.

With of course supporting the PD to get these brutes off the streets and into a jail cell.


Three NYPD officers wounded in machete attack near Times Square on New Year's Eve

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Yeah its a shame. Philly just blew up the minute folks started to wander outside when Covid was finally managed. Every day my news feed blows up with stories from Philly. It's really a travesty what is going on.

You literally have to have your hand on the revolver when driving through Philly.

We have had 12 shootings and one homicide already for 2023
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You literally have to have your hand on the revolver when driving through Philly.

LOL Got to laugh at clowns on the internet.

and yes, you are a clown if you think you need to "have your hand on a revolver" driving around.
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^^^^

Figure of speech. In otherwords, be on your guard, especially if one has money. 1000 carjackings sucks and as EastSideHBG pointed out, 12 shootings and one homicide on day 1.

Pretty impressive KPI's!

Apparently, the car jacking odds are not in Honda Accord owners favor.
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Preliminary/estimated statistics for 2022. May end up higher or lower (most likely higher with a couple of cases).

31/12 2022

Sweden (pop 10.2 mil)
Estimated total: 118 (64 deadly shootings)
- Up from 113 in 2021

Stockholm Metro (pop 2.4 mil)
Estimated total: 39 (31 deadly shootings)
- Down from 41 in 2021

- Within City limits/Municipality (Pop 960.000)
Estimated total: 17 (11 deadly shootings)
- Down from 22 in 2021

Gothenburg/Göteborg Municipality (Pop 578 000)
Estimated total: 7 (4 deadly shooting)
- Down from 9 in 2021

Malmo/Malmö Municipality (Pop 344 000)
Estimated total: 11 (5 Deadly shootings)
- Up from 5 in 2021
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Philadelphia ended 2022 with 512 homicides. Down from 562 homicides in 2021.

Going in the right direction but still way, way too high. I would like to see Philadelphia significantly reduce its violent crime rate over the next few years. Good thing is Philadelphia will be electing a new mayor this year and every candidate seems to be making violent crime a focus.
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^ that post also 100% applies to Philly's Midwest cousin, Chicago.



Chicago ended 2022 with 734 homicides. Down from 855 homicides in 2021.

Going in the right direction but still way, way too high. I would like to see Chicago significantly reduce its violent crime rate over the next few years. Good thing is Chicago will be electing a new mayor this year and every candidate seems to be making violent crime a focus.
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On the other hand, Philadelphia is on pace to eclipse last year’s homicides, and the number of robberies have more than doubled over since last year.

And car jackings are way up, we hit 1000 in October (328% increase by Nov.) so the count for the year will be gross. I know many people that were touched by violence and/or property crime in 2022 that now it's almost more surprising when I talk to someone who hasn't been a victim of something crazy.

This is good to see for LA and I hope that we can get our act together this year.
Huh? That is not true for Philly, murders were down like 8% from last year.
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Yeah its a shame. Philly just blew up the minute folks started to wander outside when Covid was finally managed. Every day my news feed blows up with stories from Philly. It's really a travesty what is going on.

You literally have to have your hand on the revolver when driving through Philly.

Dude… what? Get the hell out of here with this nonsense. I live in Philadelphia and there are many, many areas where you can live and drive just fine. There are high crime areas just like most US Cities, but there are plenty of lovely and beautiful places. There are plenty of areas where crime isn’t as prevalent, plenty of areas where it’s rare, and plenty of areas where it hardly ever happens, if ever.

So please, cut it out with this nonsense. People like you and your fear mongering are part of the problem. I’m sure you live in the outer burbs or the Lehigh Valley, watch the news and live in fear every day. I feel sorry for you.

I live the reality, live and experience this city every day. While I would say I’ve certainly become more aware of my surroundings, I can promise you everybody whom enters the city isn’t being shot. Violence and crime affects a few thousand people a year and mostly in certain parts of the city.

I promise if you just came to visit and hang out every once in a while, you would find one of the best cities in the United States with plenty of lovely things to offer. You would find life going on as normal. I’m sure you’ll continue to watch the news, never visit and live in fear though. To each their own
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