PHILADELPHIA | Highrise Development Thread X - Page 228

JohnIII · #**4541** Posted **Jul 18, 2022, 2:05 PM**

Liberty One in 1987; I sure remember those days; that skyscraper stood out so much that it was had to really conceive how short our skyline was compare to other cities; many thought the tower was like the Empire State Building because it stood out so much back then from the other buildings.

For those who love skyscrapers; Liberty One really changed how Philadelphia saw itself; this has come a long way. True to the Philadelphia Skyscraper Tradition which PSFS also embodies one can see a combination of height, elegance, style, dynamism where a tower stands out yet is a part of a greater tapestry of excellence in the period ot represents.

As Philadelphia grows I hope new towers no matter their composition or habitation blend skill and art the same way; so that the interior and exterior gives a true presence of the company and city they reside; generations after us will love skyscrapers much as we do if this holds true.

summersm343 · #**4542** Posted **Jul 20, 2022, 2:32 AM**

700 Chestnut Street
13 floors
171 feet tall
Historical Commission PDF submission:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20220719...nut-St-app.pdf

PurpleWhiteOut · #**4543** Posted **Jul 20, 2022, 5:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

700 Chestnut Street
13 floors
171 feet tall
Historical Commission PDF submission:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20220719...nut-St-app.pdf

No chance the historical commission will approve this one. I think an overbuild here could be good, but demo of 704 aside, if this is tan metal panels (it's very vague) this would look like garbage.

Jayfar · #**4544** Posted **Jul 20, 2022, 12:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by summersm343

700 Chestnut Street
13 floors
171 feet tall
Historical Commission PDF submission:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20220719...nut-St-app.pdf

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Originally Posted by PurpleWhiteOut

No chance the historical commission will approve this one. I think an overbuild here could be good, but demo of 704 aside, if this is tan metal panels (it's very vague) this would look like garbage.

How this one will play out is a crap shoot, but 700 Chestnut Street Associates, which owns both buildings, is certainly determined — taking a 3-pronged approach to having their way with it.

Besides the 'review in concept' going to the PHC Architectural Committee next week, the owners have submitted an application to reclassify the Philadelphia Evening Telegraph Building, 704 Chestnut St, as 'non-contributing' in the Chestnut Street East Commercial Historic District. That application will be reviewed by the Committee on Designation later this morning and at a subsequent meeting of the full PHC.

They are also contesting the designations of both buildings in court.

For more background see page 33 from district nomination for 704 Chestnut inventory item below:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20220112...Commercial.pdf

Excerpt:
…704 Chestnut Street was again under construction in 1896 when the Philadelphia Evening Telegraph, commissioned Architects G.W. & W.D. Hewitt to demolish the 1892 façade for "a new and handsome one." The Evening Telegraph remained for years, during which time Charles Edward Warburton was the editor. In 1896, Barclay Harding Warburton became editor, serving until 1911 when the paper was sold to Rodman Wanamaker. He operated the Evening Telegraph at this location until 1918, when it was sold to Cyrus Curtis and merged with the Public Ledger.

In the late 19th century this neighborhood of was home to perhaps a dozen newspaper facilities including annexes (see 1895 Bromley Atlas). Very little evidence of that fact remains. In fact the previous building at 700-02 Chestnut was The Philadelphia Press. Sadly 704 Chestnut is a virtual 3-story stump of the 5-story Evening Telegraph building, but is still worthy of preservation in my estimation.

Details and followup for today's public Zoom meeting: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Phil...0186673269963/

PHLtoNYC · #**4545** Posted **Jul 20, 2022, 2:01 PM**

^ I guess a prolonged court battle is still cheaper than producing a quality overbuild in this town?

Jayfar · #**4546** Posted **Jul 20, 2022, 4:22 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayfar

How this one will play out is a crap shoot, but 700 Chestnut Street Associates, which owns both buildings, is certainly determined — taking a 3-pronged approach to having their way with it.

Besides the 'review in concept' going to the PHC Architectural Committee next week, the owners have submitted an application to reclassify the Philadelphia Evening Telegraph Building, 704 Chestnut St, as 'non-contributing' in the Chestnut Street East Commercial Historic District. That application will be reviewed by the Committee on Designation later this morning and at a subsequent meeting of the full PHC.

They are also contesting the designations of both buildings in court.

For more background see page 33 from district nomination for 704 Chestnut inventory item below:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20220112...Commercial.pdf

Excerpt:
…704 Chestnut Street was again under construction in 1896 when the Philadelphia Evening Telegraph, commissioned Architects G.W. & W.D. Hewitt to demolish the 1892 façade for "a new and handsome one." The Evening Telegraph remained for years, during which time Charles Edward Warburton was the editor. In 1896, Barclay Harding Warburton became editor, serving until 1911 when the paper was sold to Rodman Wanamaker. He operated the Evening Telegraph at this location until 1918, when it was sold to Cyrus Curtis and merged with the Public Ledger.

In the late 19th century this neighborhood of was home to perhaps a dozen newspaper facilities including annexes (see 1895 Bromley Atlas). Very little evidence of that fact remains. In fact the previous building at 700-02 Chestnut was The Philadelphia Press. Sadly 704 Chestnut is a virtual 3-story stump of the 5-story Evening Telegraph building, but is still worthy of preservation in my estimation.

Details and followup for today's public Zoom meeting: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Phil...0186673269963/

The Committee on Historic Designation by unanimous consent recommended that 704 Chestnut St be retained as a 'contributing' building in the Chestnut Street East Commercial Historic District.

allovertown · #**4547** Posted **Jul 20, 2022, 4:31 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayfar

How this one will play out is a crap shoot, but 700 Chestnut Street Associates, which owns both buildings, is certainly determined — taking a 3-pronged approach to having their way with it.

Besides the 'review in concept' going to the PHC Architectural Committee next week, the owners have submitted an application to reclassify the Philadelphia Evening Telegraph Building, 704 Chestnut St, as 'non-contributing' in the Chestnut Street East Commercial Historic District. That application will be reviewed by the Committee on Designation later this morning and at a subsequent meeting of the full PHC.

They are also contesting the designations of both buildings in court.

For more background see page 33 from district nomination for 704 Chestnut inventory item below:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20220112...Commercial.pdf

Excerpt:
…704 Chestnut Street was again under construction in 1896 when the Philadelphia Evening Telegraph, commissioned Architects G.W. & W.D. Hewitt to demolish the 1892 façade for "a new and handsome one." The Evening Telegraph remained for years, during which time Charles Edward Warburton was the editor. In 1896, Barclay Harding Warburton became editor, serving until 1911 when the paper was sold to Rodman Wanamaker. He operated the Evening Telegraph at this location until 1918, when it was sold to Cyrus Curtis and merged with the Public Ledger.

In the late 19th century this neighborhood of was home to perhaps a dozen newspaper facilities including annexes (see 1895 Bromley Atlas). Very little evidence of that fact remains. In fact the previous building at 700-02 Chestnut was The Philadelphia Press. Sadly 704 Chestnut is a virtual 3-story stump of the 5-story Evening Telegraph building, but is still worthy of preservation in my estimation.

Details and followup for today's public Zoom meeting: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Phil...0186673269963/

Why exactly is 704 worthy of preservation?

Serious question.

PHL10 · #**4548** Posted **Jul 20, 2022, 6:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by allovertown

Why exactly is 704 worthy of preservation?

Serious question.

Had it not been butchered over the last 100 years, there might be a reasonable answer.

mcgrath618 · #**4549** Posted **Jul 20, 2022, 7:18 PM**

In my stark opinion, 704 is not worthy of historic preservation, but is also not worth tearing down for this awfully designed overbuild. Come back with a better looking and contextual project and this discussion can be had.

mcgrath618 · #**4550** Posted **Jul 21, 2022, 12:48 AM**

700 Chestnut Street

jjv007 · #**4551** Posted **Jul 21, 2022, 1:18 PM**

http://on.nba.com/3PF1WeA

Sixers stadium at Market East ?!

Urbanthusiat · #**4552** Posted **Jul 21, 2022, 1:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by jjv007

http://on.nba.com/3PF1WeA

Sixers stadium at Market East ?!

LETS GO!!! Market East is by far the best place for this.

My only worry is that the FD languishes for the many years in the meantime as tenants drop if the future there is uncertain.

Radio5 · #**4553** Posted **Jul 21, 2022, 6:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by jjv007

http://on.nba.com/3PF1WeA

Sixers stadium at Market East ?!

Didn't they just renovate that building?

ATL Champion · #**4554** Posted **Jul 21, 2022, 11:27 PM**

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quite a few highrise developments in Philly

Jayfar · #**4555** Posted **Jul 21, 2022, 11:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat

My only worry is that the FD languishes for the many years in the meantime as tenants drop if the future there is uncertain.

I was wondering about that aspect too. I guess a lot depends on the length of current leases, but it doesn't bode well for signing any new tenants in the interim, except to the extent they fit into the new 'reimagining' of the mall. They never did secure a tenant for the prime corner space at the west side of 10th St. On the other hand, it might not entail a complete demo of the structure. They have said they intend to have retail facing the street in the arena.

From the FAQ:
We will be partnering with Macerich, the current owner, to reimagine the remaining ⅔ of the mall as part of a world class sports & entertainment hub to complement the arena.

https://76place.com/faq

hammersklavier · #**4556** Posted **Jul 22, 2022, 2:37 AM**

I believe approximately nothing that the Sixers say, to be honest. There's something very sketchy and half-baked about this proposal (just like their last attempt).

Londonee · #**4557** Posted **Jul 22, 2022, 4:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by hammersklavier

I believe approximately nothing that the Sixers say, to be honest. There's something very sketchy and half-baked about this proposal (just like their last attempt).

Why?

KDD · #**4558** Posted **Jul 22, 2022, 10:23 AM**

Their last proposal included adding the only NIZ outside of Allentown, a tax provision designed to lure businesses into a struggling, impoverished downtown (ie not to subsidize a billionaire's business in an already thriving neighborhood). It was rather insulting actually.

This is all private money so go wild I say.

CleetMcDougle · #**4559** Posted **Jul 22, 2022, 9:48 PM**

Completely speculative to put in this thread, but looks like flyers were distributed saying that the Rite Aid at 23rd and Walnut is closing... thoughts for a high-rise here?

TonyTone · #**4560** Posted **Jul 22, 2022, 10:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by CleetMcDougle

Completely speculative to put in this thread, but looks like flyers were distributed saying that the Rite Aid at 23rd and Walnut is closing... thoughts for a high-rise here?

Is that the secret tower summers was talking about? or I think Mcgrath was saying something is happening there due to septa being contacted about upcoming development?