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Old Posted Aug 12, 2022, 5:10 AM
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Trammel Crow was able to purchase the land for their planned developments at 315 N May and 1112 W Carroll. They also purchase a site at 1152 W. Carroll. They didn't comment on any plans for the site, but you can see renderings of a potential third highrise behind both of the main towers.

Dallas-Based Developer Pays More Than $77 Million for Land in Chicago’s Fulton Market
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2022, 4:34 PM
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10 years ago the West Loop was still meatpacking warehouses...


What do you guys think the West Loop will look like 10 years from now with all the development and population boom? Second downtown? Even more jampacked?
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2022, 4:46 PM
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Nice, 1112 W. Carroll Avenue includes the publicly accessible park IIRC -- which is really needed over there, especially if everything is built as proposed.
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Deceptively big office builing. I love the design. Hoping it turns out more or less exactly as shown.

And when paying $77 million for land, you're kinda obligated to building something large so I have my hopes up for this.

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The Texas firm late last year gained City Council approval to knock down the Climatemp building at 315 N. May and replace it with a 26-story, approximately 654,000-square-foot office building.
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Trammel Crow was able to purchase the land for their planned developments at 315 N May and 1112 W Carroll. They also purchase a site at 1152 W. Carroll. They didn't comment on any plans for the site, but you can see renderings of a potential third highrise behind both of the main towers.

Dallas-Based Developer Pays More Than $77 Million for Land in Chicago’s Fulton Market
https://product.costar.com/home/news/shared/929230299

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Old Posted Aug 13, 2022, 1:41 PM
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10 years ago the West Loop was still meatpacking warehouses...


What do you guys think the West Loop will look like 10 years from now with all the development and population boom? Second downtown? Even more jampacked?
That depends on what the city does. Right now the infrastructure will eventually cap the growth. Transit access is limited for it to be a "downtown", you would need several new bus routes, a Metra stop and maybe a new CTA rail line/Circle Line.

At the same time, traffic flow sucks. The city needs to put in a bunch of stoplights, prune back the street parking for turn lanes, etc. And new developments are now required to do limited parking, which is a good thing generally but creates a problem if people can't get to Fulton in car OR transit.

If the city doesn't do all of this, then it cannot really grow into a 2nd downtown.
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That depends on what the city does. Right now the infrastructure will eventually cap the growth. Transit access is limited for it to be a "downtown", you would need several new bus routes, a Metra stop and maybe a new CTA rail line/Circle Line.

At the same time, traffic flow sucks. The city needs to put in a bunch of stoplights, prune back the street parking for turn lanes, etc. And new developments are now required to do limited parking, which is a good thing generally but creates a problem if people can't get to Fulton in car OR transit.

If the city doesn't do all of this, then it cannot really grow into a 2nd downtown.
Split the red line and send a branch Down Halsted then east under Madison to Michigan where it would capture the converted-to-cta metra electric.
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That depends on what the city does. Right now the infrastructure will eventually cap the growth. Transit access is limited for it to be a "downtown", you would need several new bus routes, a Metra stop and maybe a new CTA rail line/Circle Line.

At the same time, traffic flow sucks. The city needs to put in a bunch of stoplights, prune back the street parking for turn lanes, etc. And new developments are now required to do limited parking, which is a good thing generally but creates a problem if people can't get to Fulton in car OR transit.

If the city doesn't do all of this, then it cannot really grow into a 2nd downtown.
The city has been very very slow to adapt the vehicular circulation and parking scheme in the area from its industrial era to the new reality. These problems are fixable but they don't seem to be in any hurry.

I am worried this will eventually provide enough ammunition to hamstring future developments.
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Yimby says crane permit was issued for 311 W Huron

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Old Posted Aug 14, 2022, 2:00 PM
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The city has been very very slow to adapt the vehicular circulation and parking scheme in the area from its industrial era to the new reality. These problems are fixable but they don't seem to be in any hurry.

I am worried this will eventually provide enough ammunition to hamstring future developments.
Absolutely it will, once we see significant residential north of Lake St to sprout a bumper crop of NIMBYs.

I have no idea why the city isn't putting up dozens of stoplights and creating a proper grid like River North has. With the combined volume of pedestrian+auto traffic and large buses/shuttles parked everywhere, it's utter chaos.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2022, 3:01 PM
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160 N. Elizabeth is now called "Fulbrix" lol
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2022, 4:53 PM
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Absolutely it will, once we see significant residential north of Lake St to sprout a bumper crop of NIMBYs.

I have no idea why the city isn't putting up dozens of stoplights and creating a proper grid like River North has. With the combined volume of pedestrian+auto traffic and large buses/shuttles parked everywhere, it's utter chaos.
This seems a little hyperbolic. It's exactly 0.5 miles from Ogilvie to 900 W Randolph. And the Green and Pink lines are pretty far from being at capacity. The Ashland bus is a serviceable way to get to Fulton market. Doesn't mean it can't and shouldn't be better to make sure the area reaches its potential.

This area is one of our more frequent date-night destinations and when we drive, it's always easy to find street parking on Randolph or Lake. I don't even worry about it. It's much harder to find parking in Pilsen. Of course, I have no problem taking transit or a taxi and don't think the availability of parking is a positive.
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This seems a little hyperbolic. It's exactly 0.5 miles from Ogilvie to 900 W Randolph. And the Green and Pink lines are pretty far from being at capacity. The Ashland bus is a serviceable way to get to Fulton market. Doesn't mean it can't and shouldn't be better to make sure the area reaches its potential.

This area is one of our more frequent date-night destinations and when we drive, it's always easy to find street parking on Randolph or Lake. I don't even worry about it. It's much harder to find parking in Pilsen. Of course, I have no problem taking transit or a taxi and don't think the availability of parking is a positive.
I agree with this. Having lived down in the West Loop last Summer with a car, I found it actually much more convenient to get around the city from the West Loop as opposed to somewhere like Lakeview. The only advantage there was being close to LSD, otherwise it was a bitch to get anywhere West or Southwest.

As mentioned, there's way better access/connection from the West Loop than people probably realize. You have two CTA L lines running through. You have very close proximity to the Kennedy. Said CTA lines are a couple stops away from full CTA connections. You mentioned the Ashland bus, but there's also the Halsted route too, which takes you straight up to LP/LV.

Overall, it could be much worse.
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Old Posted Aug 15, 2022, 5:43 PM
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There is some excess capacity on transit into the West Loop but I think that's a lingering effect of Covid and remote work, and it's quickly being eaten up. With the sheer square footage of office space that is U/C or planned, it will run out within the decade so the time to plan improvements is now.

The saving grace right now for West Loop is the parallel buildout of residential and office. A lot of the Fulton Market workers live within 1 mile or 1.5 miles of their workplace, in West Loop or River West so they can walk, bike/Divvy, or take a short Uber ride. A little further out, Loop/South Loop/Pilsen/Bronzeville people have a one-seat ride on the Green or Pink Lines. But there's still a big gap getting from Fulton Market to anywhere on the north or northwest sides.

The Medical District has had this problem for a long time, and they chose cars instead. Rush, UI Hospital, Stroger all have huge parking garages.
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