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Old Posted Apr 20, 2022, 12:20 AM
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SHADOWS
Comment 18: CB1 is concerned about the impacts of shadows from the proposed building on
Site 5. (CB1_102)
Response: The EA contains a detailed shadow analysis in Chapter 6. “Shadows.” Tower 5 with the Proposed Amendment would be similar in scale to the previously-approved office tower, but would be approximately 126 feet taller. The bulk form of the proposed residential Tower 5 would be more slender than the commercial tower with floor plates of the maximum square footage. The shadow study
showed that these differences in height and bulk configuration would generally result in incremental shadow from the top 126 feet of the proposed residential tower and small areas of reduced shadow compared to the bulkier office tower,
mostly occurring when shadows fall west in the morning or east in the afternoon.
Overall, given that the residential tower would replace a commercial tower of approximately the same size, no significant additional shadow impacts are anticipated as summarized in the EA.
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In view of Lower Manhattan’s transition from a predominantly office district to a mixed-use neighborhood, the GPP would be amended as follows to permit a building to be developed on Site 5 with residential, fitness and community facility uses, in addition to commercial office space and retail uses:

1. A mixed-use building on Site 5 could be up to approximately 1.345 million square
feet, inclusive of commercial and retail uses, with an up to approximately 1.1 million square-foot residential component, of which a minimum of 25 percent of the units would be permanently affordable housing units; a connection to Liberty Park; and a minimum of approximately 10,000 square feet of community facility space if any residential component is included.

2. LMDC, ESD and the Port Authority would cooperate in developing and implementing the plan for any mixed-use building to be located on Site 5, which could be completed by 2028. If a mixed-use building is to be constructed on Site 5, it is expected that ESD would own Site 5.

3. A set of mixed-use design guidelines would be adopted by ESD in connection with any proposal for a mixed-use building on Site 5. The mixed-use design guidelines would guide future development of any such mixed-use building in a manner consistent with this amendment to the GPP and the goals for any mixed-use commercial, residential, retail and community facility development on Site 5. Following their adoption by ESD, ESD would administer the mixed-use design guidelines.

4. LMDC, acting as lead agency under both NEPA and SEQRA, has prepared an Environmental Assessment (“2021 EA”), made available to the public on November 17, 2021. The 2021 EA concluded that this amendment to the GPP and the possible development of a mixed-use building on Site 5 are not expected to have any significant adverse environmental impacts not previously disclosed in the 2004 Final GEIS. Based on the 2021 EA, LMDCdetermined that a supplemental environmental impact statement is not required under NEPA or SEQRA and issued a Finding of No Significant Impact and Determination of Non-Significance, made available to the public on November 17, 2021.

5. The Southern Site is zoned for commercial, residential and community facility uses under the New York City Zoning Resolution (zoning classification C6-9). Development of a mixed-use building on Site 5 would be exempted from some or all provisions of the Zoning Resolution pursuant to the UDC Act. Any such override of the Zoning Resolution would be determined in connection with the proposal for a mixed-use building on Site 5. Any mixed-use building would be developed in substantial conformance with mixed-use design guidelines that would be consistent with the 2021 EA as it may be supplemented from time to time and would form part of the land use plan and controls for Site 5.

6. The GPP would continue to allow potential future commercial-only development on Site 5. However, with respect to the potential mixed-used development described above, this amendment supersedes any contrary provisions of the GPP. Certain factual conditions in the GPP reflect factual conditions as of the adoption of the 2007 GPP and have not been updated.
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Ideas for an Affordable 5WTC
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Twenty years after the September 11 attacks, 130 Liberty Street (Site 5) is the one parcel of the World Trade Center (WTC) master plan left undeveloped. On this publicly owned land, Silverstein Properties and Brookfield Properties, working with Kohn Pedersen Fox (KPF), have proposed a 900-foot-tall mixed-use tower with 1,200 residential apartments. If built, it will be the only residential building on the 16-acre WTC site. Under the current plan, 25 percent of the apartments (300 units) will be rented under market rate and designated for tenants earning below 50 percent of the area median income.

Given the severe lack of affordable housing in downtown Manhattan, a group of residents and activists, called the Coalition for a 100% Affordable 5WTC, have mobilized to argue that the Site 5 tower should be composed of entirely affordable units.

The developers behind the current proposal claim that this degree of affordability is untenable, given the enormous construction and labor costs of building a supertall tower in Lower Manhattan. Countering this, the community coalition, which has significant political support, argues that providing deep affordability at a publicly owned site purchased with federal funds is a crucial political and symbolic gesture. (It also advocates for a tenant preference for 9/11 survivors and first responders.)

In support of the coalition, Citygroup and the New York Review of Architecture (NYRA) invited designers to imagine an alternative, fully affordable vision for 5WTC. Participants in this exercise were required to insert their proposal into the perspective image used by KPF. In addition to appearing in this exhibition, the 100 percent affordable proposals are featured in issue #28 of NYRA and were collectively submitted as a public comment to the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation. The images will further be used as advocacy tools to support the community coalition in its effort to make 5WTC fully affordable.
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Bonkers.

What a ridiculous notion to have a 100% affordable residential building in the WTC complex.
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The majority of their design ideas are gross. These people are delusional.
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The majority of their design ideas are gross. These people are delusional.
Those can't be real ideas. One of those pictures is literally just 1WTC turned upside down.
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Those can't be real ideas. One of those pictures is literally just 1WTC turned upside down.
They are real ideas. What they aren’t are real, or serious proposals.
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Where’s KPF’s 5 WTC? Couldn’t find it on the pic.
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Where’s KPF’s 5 WTC? Couldn’t find it on the pic.
That was an event for people to use their imaginations. KPF’s tower is the actual proposal.
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That was an event for people to use their imaginations. KPF’s tower is the actual proposal.
Ok thanks for the info.
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Are those just concepts or actual legit proposals?

I like the original one honestly but those are kind of neat I guess. I just wanna see this thing (and 2WTC) built ASAP.
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They are concepts. And no,they are most definitely not proposal. They're from those delusional 100% affordable people.
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100% affordable units in a building with major cantilevers? Good luck getting a developer to finance that.
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100% affordable units in a building with major cantilevers? Good luck getting a developer to finance that.
Exactly my thoughts.

They look neat.

They are not realistic.
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The first one blows.
The 2nd design is kind of cool, imo. A bit 70s throwback.

But I guess they're both not real proposals.
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Not only are they not proposals, they don’t fit within the design guidelines. But it goes along with the imagination concepts we’ve seen since tve process began. Interesting to look at, nothing more.
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Those can't be real ideas. One of those pictures is literally just 1WTC turned upside down.
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They are concepts. And no,they are most definitely not proposal. They're from those delusional 100% affordable people.
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The majority of their design ideas are gross. These people are delusional.
What's worse is they're being encouraged by politicians that just want to get votes, even though the Port Authority has already said that making the units 100% affordable would not be profitable.

Social justice in a construction process encouraged by politicians + insistence on changing the existing design = bad outcome imo


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This one is OK (but only considering the lighting and time of day clear atmospheric conditions). Still prefer the KPF 5 WTC design.

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