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what an asinine idea. What 9/11 survivors would want to live at ground zero. 25-30% with no preference should be the goal for affordable units in new developments seeking FAR bonuses. 100% is asking far too much in Manhattan. Outside of Manhattan there can be much more.
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I wonder how many units will be allocated and if they will try to raise the amount of market-rate units in the tower (to make up for the hit they will take making some units affordable).
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well that was a go for it reach, wasn't it?
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what an asinine idea. What 9/11 survivors would want to live at ground zero. 25-30% with no preference should be the goal for affordable units in new developments seeking FAR bonuses. 100% is asking far too much in Manhattan. Outside of Manhattan there can be much more.
Exactly my thoughts. Yet another politician just revealed herself as a sociopath. This has to be one of the clearest cases I've seen of invoking 9/11 survivors for political purposes, without any regard for what they want or think.

I mean first of all, remember quite a lot of 9/11 survivors had jobs in.. wait for it.. the world trade center. These werent just any run-of-the-mill "paper-pushers", these were high-achieving, highly-educated people, working for presigious companies; not excactly the types looking for affordable housing. Obviously the first responder survivors are a different story, as are building staff survivors. But it just shows this woman literally didnt even think about 9/11 survivors she was pretending to care about before saying this.
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Also, all 9-11 victim's families received a seven-figure payment, courtesy of the American taxpayer, on top of any life insurance, corporate or legal claims. Why would they also get a subsidized apartment on a superprime location in the middle of Manhattan?

Can the craven politicians please stop milking this horrible tragedy?

Also, why would you build a 100% subsidized housing tower on some of the most valuable land on the planet? Completely idiotic. The tower should be 100% market rate, and if politicans want subsidized housing, fine, put it on less valuable land.
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2WTC redesign showcase incoming?? if not now....when??

other thread was closed so
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other thread was closed so
Hopefully before 2050 and I wish I was joking

It was closed to avoid endless speculation (not that it's unexpected or wrong but gets repetitive)
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Really turning out beautifully. Looking forward to seeing it lit up at night. I encourage everyone to follow the FC link for more pics!
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It’s sort of a bookend with the PAC.
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5 World Trade Center

Clad with a complementary palette of glass and masonry, 5 WTC mediates between the historic texture of the Financial District and the modern character of the World Trade Center.

The tower is positioned and stepped to maximize residents’ views of the New York City skyline and harbor while completing the WTC Master Plan’s downward spiraling sequence from One World Trade Center.

Containing community and amenity space, retail, and office programming, the podium features an entry lobby that evokes the welcoming nature of a hotel. A pedestrian bridge links the project with Liberty Park to the north. Two-story masonry window frames reference the late 19th and early 20th-century architectural heritage of the Financial District and the Little Syria neighborhood, while the use of grey brick, white concrete, and metal offers a contemporary take.
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Originally planned as an office tower, 5 WTC comprises primarily rental units, of which 330 are permanently affordable. The residential floors are sectioned into vertical neighborhoods organized around shared amenities. Expanding on the design language of the podium, the façade of the residential portion is divided into 3-story metal frames and a secondary pattern of solid panels contrasting the adjacent all-glass office towers.

Sustainability is achieved through a high-performance building envelope that includes minimized thermal bridging, superior insulation, an air infiltration barrier, and insulated wavelength-selective gazing. The project is designed to be one of the most sustainable and energy-efficient in the country.














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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/29/r...ffordable.html

In a Supertall Tower, How Much Affordable Housing Is Enough?
The only residential building at the World Trade Center will be 25 percent affordable — a real accomplishment, supporters say. Others insist it should be 100 percent.






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More than 20 years after the Sept. 11 attacks, a 900-foot apartment tower could soon rise at the World Trade Center, making it the first and only residential project to be built on the 16-acre campus.

The 80-story project at 130 Liberty Street, a publicly owned property known as Site 5, would include 1,200 apartments — of which 25 percent, or 300 units, would be permanently rented at below-market value — as well as office, retail and community space. A team led by the developers Brookfield Properties and Silverstein Properties could begin construction in 2023, if approvals are met.

But a group of local residents and elected officials, frustrated by the dearth of affordable housing citywide, is pushing for more — a tower that could become the world’s tallest 100-percent-affordable housing project and a symbol of equity for the workers and families who rebuilt Lower Manhattan, even as they have been priced out of their homes. (The group hopes to include a tenant preference for 9/11 survivors and essential workers.)
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It is an ideological battle being waged on one of the few sites in the city where these questions could seriously be posed: Can the city build sky-high towers for lower- and middle-income New Yorkers, when “supertall” — a term used to describe buildings just shy of 1,000 feet — has become synonymous with luxury condominiums? And would the political and symbolic significance of the site make it worth the expense, although three or four times as many affordable units could likely be built elsewhere for the same cost?
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Supporters of the current plan, a 1.56 million-square-foot, glass-and-masonry tower designed by Kohn Pedersen Fox Associates, say it will create more affordable housing on a single site than has been built in Lower Manhattan in years. In fact, according to the Department of Housing Preservation and Development, since 2014 the city has financed 300 new affordable units in the district that includes the World Trade Center — the same number that will be included in the new tower and reserved for renters making up to 50 percent of the area median income, or about $53,000 annually for a family of three.

The opposition faces long odds. No fully affordable housing project has come close to being 900 feet tall, because of the steep construction and labor costs associated with skyscrapers, and those obstacles are only heightened at the World Trade Center, one of the most expensive places to build in the city, because of governmental oversight and other restrictions. But a recent surge of support from local and state politicians could influence the project, just as new sources of government funding may become available.
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The developers of the World Trade Center tower said in a statement that, to increase the number of below-market-rate apartments to 1,200 from 300, they would need at least an additional $500 million, which would likely come from a shared pool of government funding. With that money, they said, the state could subsidize approximately four times as many units — 3,600, rather than 900 — in a less expensive market, with less costly development.

“The construction costs for 900-foot towers are exorbitant and only going up,” said Alicia Glen, a former deputy mayor of housing and economic development, and a board member of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, which owns the site and supports the current project. “This project already has very deep affordability in it, so I don’t think that’s on the table,” she said about making the tower 100 percent affordable.
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How exorbitant are those costs? Holly Leicht, the board chair of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, estimated that, as currently planned, each unit in the tower will cost about $1 million to build, or twice as much as a unit in a typical affordable project, an estimate that developers not involved with the project agreed was plausible.

Not all of that money is going to fancy finishes. Other reasons for the wide cost disparity have to do with the construction method: Most affordable buildings are no taller than 12 to 15 stories, the maximum height for block-and-plank construction, a simpler way to build that doesn’t require tower cranes or more costly foundation work, said Mark Ginsberg, a partner at Curtis + Ginsberg Architects, which has designed several affordable residential buildings but is not involved in the project. A building this tall would also likely require a union work force, because of the specialized work and regulations at this site, and that could drive up overall construction costs by 20 to 40 percent, Mr. Ginsberg said.

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There is value to building affordable housing in high-rent neighborhoods, said Jolie A. Milstein, the chief executive and president of the New York State Association for Affordable Housing. But given the costs of construction and the complicated negotiations involved, she said, subsidizing additional affordable units there might not be the best use of limited resources.

Still, the push for more affordable housing in the tower has found support from a number of elected officials, including Councilmen Ben Kallos and Mark Levine; New York State Senator Brian P. Kavanagh; United States Representatives Carolyn B. Maloney and Jerrold Nadler; and Assemblywoman Yuh-Line Niou.

But the most important endorsement would come from Kathy Hochul, New York’s new governor, who has broad influence over the government agencies that own the site. Hazel Crampton-Hays, the governor’s press secretary, said in a statement that “Governor Hochul is committed to continuing to take bold action to protect tenants and help solve the housing affordability crisis — not just in one neighborhood or one building, but across the state, and we are monitoring the development of this project in that context.”
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One way or another, the approval process is likely to take at least another year, in part because the site was originally slated for a commercial tower, and residential use will require a change to the General Project Plan for Lower Manhattan established after the attacks. There is also the possibility that a protracted fight over the tower could push the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation to return to a commercial plan that wouldn’t require additional approvals.

But Ms. James, of the Coalition for a 100% Affordable 5WTC, isn’t deterred.

“I leave my apartment and look at empty buildings every day,” she said, noting the glut of commercial and luxury residential property surrounding her. “We can fill a building, if it’s affordable.”
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In a Supertall Tower, How Much Affordable Housing Is Enough?
The only residential building at the World Trade Center will be 25 percent affordable — a real accomplishment, supporters say. Others insist it should be 100 percent.






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100% these people are crazy. If they want the building to be 100% affordable housing maybe they should be the ones buying the land and paying for the building. SMH
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900 feet is not a supertall. I stopped reading there.
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Great design, great location. Would of been a great opportunity to go grander in terms of the units. At 25% affordable, given the location, these folks should be lucky. 100% is pushing it lol. I don't think these people understand what it takes to build such a tower and this thing called financing.

300 lucky families or induvial when they land the unit via the affordable housing lottery. A gold mine essentially for those folks, they don't realize how lucky they are with the location. I mean I would love to live on 57th Street too but location is never guaranteed. They are owed nothing so they should take it as being lucky to get 25%.

100%... that must of been some strong bud they were smoking!
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^ I think 25% is generous, given the location and size of the tower. If not for the height limit, this tower would be as tall as the Empire state, at least.


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900 feet is not a supertall. I stopped reading there.
These people who write these articles declare everything a “supertall”. I’ve noticed it a lot. (That, and calling a building a “spire”.). It’s like they’ve found a new word, and can’t stop using it.
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Not sure if this is the correct thread (as there doesn't seem to be a separate thread for the St Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church) but there appears to be some work being done with the entrance near the church:

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Compare this with just 10 days ago on October 23, 2021:
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