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Old Posted Sep 13, 2022, 1:51 PM
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Right-wing New York City is pretty much the following:

Bronx: A small band of white neighborhoods running down the east coast - Country Club, Eastchester Bay, Edgewater Park, Locust Point, Silver Beach. These areas aren't incredibly right-wing, but they're also not that white any longer (shifting Latino) meaning the white population is pretty conservative. I think these are all Italian.

Queens: Lots of little pockets here and there. Aside from the Orthodox populations in Kew Gardens Hills and the portions of Five Towns within city limits, these are all more "white ethnic" zones, and not incredibly conservative. In Northeast Queens this includes sections or all of Beechhurst, Whitestone, Bayside, Utopia, and Hillcrest. All these areas are tending Asian and getting less Republican. In Northwest Queens there's still a light-red, working-class white area around Middle Village (though it's trending Latino). In South Queens Howard Beach, Broad Channel, and basically all the white areas of Rockaway are Republican.

Brooklyn: The only Republican areas outside of South Brooklyn are the Orthodox/Hasidic portions of Williamsburg and Crown Heights. However, basically everything majority-white in Southern Brooklyn (other than Bay Ridge and some white parts of Flatbush) is Republican. This includes Borough Park, Midwood, Bergen Beach, Sheepshead bay, Brighton Beach, Manhattan Beach, Sea Gate, etc. Areas like Dyker Heights, Bensonhurst, and Bath Beach historically were also pretty Republican, but it's been retreating to enclaves since the whole area is shifting to a majority Asian electorate.

Staten Island: Basically everything south of 278 is Republican, along with some neighborhoods to the north, like Westerleigh and Castleton Corners. Interestingly, southern Staten Island is actually more conservative than anywhere in Nassau County.

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Old Posted Sep 13, 2022, 6:03 PM
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Pretty sure southern Staten Island is the most conservative area in the NYC region besides the Orthodox Jewish areas.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2022, 6:15 PM
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It looks like NYC's council only has a handful of R's out of 51 seats:
https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/11/3/22...en-republicans

If you live in a large city (especially one with a significant black population) with at-large council elections, there are often zero Republicans holding any office.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2022, 6:22 PM
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^ chicago's city council elections are not at-large (and officially non-partisan), but even then, the city council is still nearly all democrats (46 democrats and 4 independents, by self-identification).

two of those independents (one a former firefighter and the other a former cop, both from "cops & firemen" wards on the far NW side) would be "republicans" in just about any other city, but you don't self-identify as a republican in chicago if you want to win, even in more conservative-leaning wards (illinois doesn't have party registration, so political affiliations can be made up and changed by politicians on an as-needed basis).
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2022, 6:35 PM
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The D/R matters less at the local level. There are, of course, conservative Ds and liberal(ish) Rs.

That said, the NYC council gained two Rs in 2020, with a wacky vax skeptic flipping a seat to R in a former Soviet-dominated South Brooklyn district, and an Italian sorta-moderate R beating a liberal Asian D in a Queens district fast transforming from white ethnic to Asian.

Given slim margins, and rapid ethnic change, and DT likely not on ballot, both seats will be at high risk come next election.
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Boston Red Sox were last team to integrate, in 1959. Detroit Tigers beat them by a few months.
dubious.

which is what happens when you reddit style google bot for us, but don’t link.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2022, 6:48 PM
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^ according to wikipedia, the red sox were the last MLB team to integrate.

the yankees were 4th to last in 1955, followed by the phillies '57, the tigers in '58, and the red sox in '59.

link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...seball_players (scroll down to the "by team" section).
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Pretty sure southern Staten Island is the most conservative area in the NYC region besides the Orthodox Jewish areas.
actually there is a growing orthodox jewish community there too, not just italiano americans. so that adds to south shore conservatism.

north shore is racially and as you might expect much more politically diverse. north shore is steadily getting even more diverse and some of the most locally politically active dems are from here like diane savino and max rose.


here is a visual example:



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Old Posted Sep 13, 2022, 6:55 PM
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^ according to wikipedia, the red sox were the last MLB team to integrate.

the yankees were 4th to last in 1955, followed by the phillies '57, the tigers in '58, and the red sox in '59.

link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...seball_players (scroll down to the "by team" section).

yes and of course crawford could have easily posted that, but always chooses to hide his notorious epic googling.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2022, 6:56 PM
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but you don't self-identify as a republican in chicago if you want to win, even in more conservative-leaning wards (illinois doesn't have party registration, so political affiliations can be made up and changed by politicians on an as-needed basis).
The opposite occurs in rural counties, where Democrats get on ballots as "Independent", and can win repeatedly in heavy R counties if they have name recognition or there is some other circumstance.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2022, 6:59 PM
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The opposite occurs in rural counties, where Democrats get on ballots as "Independent", and can win repeatedly in heavy R counties if they have name recognition or there is some other circumstance.
exactly its not like people dont know, but it is a weird level of obfuscation for casual voters. if anything its a good lesson to do your homework before you vote!
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2022, 7:40 PM
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^ according to wikipedia, the red sox were the last MLB team to integrate.

the yankees were 4th to last in 1955, followed by the phillies '57, the tigers in '58, and the red sox in '59.

link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...seball_players (scroll down to the "by team" section).
I know this is off the main subject, but when I was in DC, there were a lot of African American Cowboys fans. One person I talked to said that she did not like the Redskins because they were one of the last teams to integrate. I was curious about the NFL from the wayward MLB discussion, and I just read this in Wiki: (1934-45 section)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_...rican_football
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The weirdest was a few years back when there was a GOP state rep (I think) in northern Queens who was a Norse pagan.
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This is a really interesting discussion. I think LA is a lot more uniformly liberal than New York City. Historically, the San Fernando Valley was the most conservative part of LA and I think the Gateway cities were more white working class but that has changed in recent decades.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...s-angeles/amp/
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Old Posted Sep 14, 2022, 12:52 AM
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I really doubt there are WWC neighborhoods in L.A. really (pretty much any area working class area would have a large Latino population) and certainly no socially conservative "white ethnic" enclaves.
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Old Posted Sep 14, 2022, 12:52 AM
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LA doesn't strike me as "uniformly liberal". Plenty of relatively conservative areas. But yeah, not really WWC areas like on the East Coast. Maybe parts of San Pedro?

The only city propers that are uniformly liberal are those with small city limits and extreme prosperity. Basically SF and DC (and even those are arguable; not sure black DC and Asian SF fit the urban liberal stereotype). Boston and Seattle might come close.
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Old Posted Sep 14, 2022, 1:55 AM
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not sure black DC and Asian SF fit the urban liberal stereotype
Speaking of stereotypes...most of DC is not black, and most of SF is not Asian. Not in the city proper, and not on the metro level. And both of them surely have plenty of people that fit the "urban liberal stereotype", whatever that is. You know, since they're big cities with millions of residents.
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Speaking of stereotypes...most of DC is not black, and most of SF is not Asian. Not in the city proper, and not on the metro level. And both of them surely have plenty of people that fit the "urban liberal stereotype", whatever that is. You know, since they're big cities with millions of residents.
I have no idea what any of this has to do with the thread. No one claimed that "most of DC was black and most of SF was Asian". No one claimed that "no one Asian or Black fit the urban liberal stereotype".

We're talking about urban political outliers, not overall demographics. The West Side of SF is heavily Asian, and not particularly liberal/progressive. The east side of DC is heavily black and not particularly liberal/progressive. Those are the best examples of uniformly liberal city propers, but even those cities have some variability.
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Speaking of stereotypes...most of DC is not black
most of DC may not be black, but it is still one of the blackest major cities (by city proper) in the nation.


of US municipalities over 300K, 4 are majority NH-black:

- detroit: 77.2% NH-black
- memphis: 61.3% NH-black
- baltimore: 57.3% NH-black
- new orleans: 53.6% NH-black


and of US municipalities over 300K, 6 are plurality NH-black:

- newark: 47.5% NH-black
- cleveland: 47.5% NH-black
- Atlanta: 46.7% NH-black
- DC: 40.9% NH-black
- philadelphia: 38.3% NH-black
- milwaukee: 37.8% NH-black


and there are 2 municipalities over 300K that are over 40% NH-black, but because of their very low numbers of other groups, NH-whites hold a slim plurality:

- st. louis: 42.8% NH-black
- cincinnati: 40.3% NH-black
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Old Posted Sep 14, 2022, 3:25 AM
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does NYC have a residency requirement for city workers?

if so, are there de facto "cops & firemen" neighborhoods on the city fringes like chicago?


Isn't that area around O'Hare really Polish?
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