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Old Posted May 24, 2021, 4:38 PM
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what? that's a ridiculous requirement. Is that part of why LA's skyline is more anemic than one might expect?
Perhaps part of the reason. It's definitely the reason why there aren't any spires or interesting roof forms on most of the skyscrapers here (City Hall and Wilshire Grand being the exceptions). The two biggest reasons LA has an 'anemic' skyline are decentralization and earthquakes. The helipad requirement was enacted over earthquake concerns, so I'd say it's more of a symptom of the larger issue than being the actual reason for the skyline being smaller than one might expect from an American city of its size.
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Old Posted May 24, 2021, 6:56 PM
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for the clev it was the ameritrust tower 365m/1,198'/63 floors.

sadly, the kpf supertall was a go, the west side of public square was cleared of it's historic buildings, $500M was budgeted in 1991, and then ... ameritrust merged with society/key bank in 1992.

this is one of the sites sherwin williams will finally build something on, but it seems not nearly so grand.


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Old Posted Jun 10, 2021, 5:52 PM
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Denver Trango Tower

Proposed in the mid-1990s to complement the Denver Pavillions retail and entertainment center in downtown Denver, Trango Tower was slated to become the tallest skyscraper in North America outside of New York City and Chicago. The Trango Tower, named after a sheer vertical rock formation in the upper reaches of Pakistan, would have become a new symbol for Denver. Rising at a height of possibly over 1,050 feet.

http://beyonddc.com/nonweb/forSSP/De...weraerial2.jpg
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2021, 10:47 PM
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How big was Ameritrust in 1991? Seems like it must have been a big bank to consider building something like this, or was the speculative office market in Cleveland really good at the time?

It does look like a very cool example of PoMo. Sad it didn't get built.
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2021, 11:52 PM
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Perhaps part of the reason. It's definitely the reason why there aren't any spires or interesting roof forms on most of the skyscrapers here (City Hall and Wilshire Grand being the exceptions). The two biggest reasons LA has an 'anemic' skyline are decentralization and earthquakes. The helipad requirement was enacted over earthquake concerns, so I'd say it's more of a symptom of the larger issue than being the actual reason for the skyline being smaller than one might expect from an American city of its size.
My guess is the availability of plenty of land to sprawl out rather than build up had more to do with it.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2021, 2:34 AM
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T. Stacy Tower, Proposed 2007-2012, 830' ft

https://austin.towers.net/austins-to...n-field-guide/

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Old Posted Jun 11, 2021, 5:26 PM
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T. Stacy Tower, Proposed 2007-2012, 830' ft

https://austin.towers.net/austins-to...n-field-guide/

That would've been a great addition to the skyline!
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2021, 6:16 PM
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How big was Ameritrust in 1991? Seems like it must have been a big bank to consider building something like this, or was the speculative office market in Cleveland really good at the time?

It does look like a very cool example of PoMo. Sad it didn't get built.
cleveland trust, later rebranded ameritrust, was a top twenty bank for its entire existence from the 1800s until 1991. it rose as high 6th place and biggest in the midwest for awhile. it later fell off in the late 80s and was actually poking around for mergers when they finally did decide to merge with society bank and the newly built society bank tower across public square in 1991. a shame for our purposes at least because if it would have been any of the other local banks they were in early merger talks with the tower likely would have gotten built. society bank was at #25 and merged with albany's #29 key bank the next year. i believe key bank remains at or around #25 today.


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ameritrust tower is quite a loss but...

really for me and architecture buffs the real loss for cleveland was the early gehry progressive tower.

1987/860'





i dk the truth, but as i recall the scuttlebutt at the time was basically that the mayor didn't want it in that location, so progressive insurance founder walked away and built a new campus hq in the suburbs instead.

and to answer probably anyone's first questions looking at it, yes that is a newspaper on the crown and yes progressive head honcho peter lewis was a art buff and a big and early weed smoker and weed proponent. and yes this wacky and arts filled tower would definitely have happened.

aside from the out there early po-mo gehry design, the tower would have included many major new art works by donald judd and other modernist artists around the grounds. so to make it even worse for cle, peter lewis later gave the majority of his arts money to nyc, in particular moma, where clevelander agnes gund ran the show, and to houston/nyc to dia art foundation. to be fair, he did continue to fund cle arts as well, but it just wasnt the same anymore up until his death.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2021, 9:11 PM
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The official word on Progressive Center (from Peter B. Lewis' team, who sent me those images along with the technical details listed on clevelandskyscrapers.com) was "it was a business decision made by the Board when Al Lerner was chairman". Take that for what it's worth
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Poydras Tower was proposed back in the mid-80's building boom in New Orleans. It was a Cesar Pelli design and would have risen to 900 feet and 55 floors tall. Unfortunately, the oil crash around that time scuttled any plans to proceed with construction. Interestingly, Pelli did design the new airport terminal which opened back in 2019.

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Atlanta had a proposal, cannot find the pic anymore, but it was to be 130 story's at 2,014 feet.

https://www.emporis.com/city/101302/...status/unbuilt

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