Ranking: The World's Most Surveilled Cities

[dimondpark]

So China was excluded because they have by far the most CCTV cameras at 373 per 1,000 residents

Otherwise,

Top 10 Cities by CCTV Cameras Per 1,000 Residents:
Indore 63
Hyderabad 42
Delhi 27
Chennai 25
Singapore 18
Moscow 17
Baghdad 16
tie-London 13
tie-St Petersburg 13
Los Angeles 9

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ran...eilled-cities/

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

So China was excluded because they have by far the most CCTV cameras at 373 per 1,000 residents

wait.

WHAT?

is that for real?



crazy-town.

[MAC123]

That kind of percentage for a country with 1.4 billion people is insane

[iheartthed]

Does this treat cameras on private property the same as cameras maintained by the government? That wasn't clear to me based on the write up. But surprised to see that L.A. is ahead of NYC.

[craigs]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

But surprised to see that L.A. is ahead of NYC.

Assuming this includes private cameras, you shouldn't be surprised. Even I have one, and I live in a relatively safe neighborhood in the hills.

[Centropolis]

Originally Posted by craigs

Assuming this includes private cameras, you shouldn't be surprised. Even I have one, and I live in a relatively safe neighborhood in the hills.

We focused primarily on public CCTV—cameras used by government entities such as law enforcement.

[craigs]

Originally Posted by Centropolis

We focused primarily on public CCTV—cameras used by government entities such as law enforcement.

Ah, okay then. Not sure why LA is the most surveilled city in the US then. The private cameras are very obvious here, but the law enforcement ones aren't, at least to me.

[Shawn]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

wait.

WHAT?

is that for real?

crazy-town.

My role at work has shifted so that I no longer have to visit mainland China. Everything else aside, I certainly do not miss this aspect of those visits: it ab-so-fucking-lutely is crazy-town creepy.

[Scraperbase.com]

In some cities they have this "social point system". If you cross the street during red light, the cameras will identify your face and cancel some of your points. If your point score is too low, you will not even be able to buy a train ticket.

Some Chinese airport have another creepy feature. On "normal" airports if you want to know where your gate is, you look at all the monitors to find your flight. At some airports there are machines where you can scan your boarding pass and then the machine tells you where your gate is located. In China these machines do not need not scan your boarding pass. Instead they scan your face and then tell you where your gate is. The message is clear: "We know your face!".

The London figure in that list is way to low. There are estimates between 500,000 and 1,000,000 CCTV cameras in the Greater London Area.

Songdo city in South Korea strangely is also missing on that list. Surveillance there is extreme. The city tracks the movements of all citizens and if you as someone who does not live there walks through that city, the camera will keep a very close "eye" on you. The strange thing is that people there do not care about the surveillance. They see it as a progress, because that data is used to optimize everything in the city.

[JManc]

If Black Mirror were a country, it would be China.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by Centropolis

We focused primarily on public CCTV—cameras used by government entities such as law enforcement.

Where did you see that?

I'm wondering did they include cameras that enforce traffic laws and tolls? Every vehicle that enters Manhattan has its license plate scanned and sent to an NYPD database. There are also speed cameras, red light cameras, and toll cameras all over the city. It's hard to believe any U.S. city has more cameras than NYC.

[niwell]

Surprised that no South African cities make the list - the only reason I can think of is that most of the cameras there aren't considered public even though many systems pass data on to police. Johannesburg and Cape Town are littered with CCTV - from public/private coordinated surveillance of CBDs, various neighbourhood/suburb associations coordinated with private security firms, at the housing estate/complex level and then down to individual houses. It's really jarring the number of cameras you see and the seemingly never-ending installation. Not sure how effective they are but private security firms do seem on the ball and will respond immediately.

https://goo.gl/maps/JjvSG92fzBXenE3LA

https://goo.gl/maps/bgvczU1EuWGFUPPR8

https://goo.gl/maps/bnpFxY7a1m8vaxXa7

https://goo.gl/maps/Rnw96FVJGuXtQgeM7

https://goo.gl/maps/iitSfWJYJKoXneCm9

[JDRCRASH]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

wait.

WHAT?

is that for real?



crazy-town.

It’s the worlds largest surveillance state. Over 50% of the world’s CCTV surveillance system cameras are there.

Not too long ago (just before the pandemic) a good friend of mine and his wife recently returned from missionary work there they did for three years there, and they told me that even in the rougher areas they felt “safe” from crime due to the amount of eyes that are watching everyone.

Their plan was always to back again as soon as the pandemic eased, so they didn’t feel comfortable telling me exactly which major city they lived in.

[MolsonExport]

Chinese cities occupy all ten of the top ten slots. No doubt.

[MolsonExport]

Big Brother is watching: Chinese city with 2.6m cameras is world's most heavily surveilled

[edale]

For being one of the most surveilled cities, I'm not sure what Los Angeles is getting from it. The city is still pretty filthy and somewhat lawless for supposedly having so many cameras around. The anti-Singapore...

[JManc]

The difference between the US and China is I suspect the vast majority of the cameras in the US are not official government or law enforcement but millions of Ring cameras nabbing porch pirates. I alone have 5 cameras around my house so if a squirrel farts, I will know about it.

[Randomguy34]

Originally Posted by edale

For being one of the most surveilled cities, I'm not sure what Los Angeles is getting from it. The city is still pretty filthy and somewhat lawless for supposedly having so many cameras around. The anti-Singapore...

Camera's aren't going to clean your streets

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Big Brother is watching: Chinese city with 2.6m cameras is world's most heavily surveilled

Chongqing more than Shenzhen, Beijing or Shanghai? That's interesting

[edale]

Originally Posted by Randomguy34

Camera's aren't going to clean your streets

Great insight!