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Old Posted Sep 22, 2022, 6:30 AM
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Paris also has Le BHV Marais, which may be the closest French analogue to Macy’s in terms of price point. They have a separate men’s store similar to some Macy’s configurations, like at South Coast Plaza. Every department store in Paris, especially on Blvd Haussman are crazy busy. There’s no sense that they’ll ever not play a vital role to the city’s cultural life.
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2022, 11:33 AM
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I think there are 15 department stores still trading in London including Harrods, Selfridges, Harvey Nichols, Fortnum & Mason, Liberty, Selby’s, and Fenwick. There are two department store groups with more than one site: John Lewis & Partners (Oxford St, Sloane Sq, Stratford, Kingston, Brent Cross and White City) and House of Fraser (Oxford St and Croydon). Some of Marks & Spencers sites could be classed as department store-lite, there are probably a dozen of them across London. Like many other countries, the number of department stores used to be far higher.

One of the quirkier – now defunct – department stores in London was Wickhams in Whitechapel. The Wickham family brought up several buildings along Mile End Road, but were unable to purchase the premises of the Spiegelhalter family of clockmakers & jewellers. So they just built around it


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A feature of the old departments stores were their related downtown warehouses, which were typically very odd structures. Here is one in DT Cincinnati that has sat mostly or entirely vacant for many years:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0991...7i16384!8i8192

This is another former department store warehouse. This one was converted to artist's studios in the late 80s or early 90s:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1113...7i16384!8i8192

This one had an attached warehouse that is still there and still doing nothing:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1022...7i16384!8i8192
That’s a curious thought. Only one I can think of is Harrod’s Furniture Depository located on the Thames by Kew Gardens. It was converted into apartments two decades ago.


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Old Posted Sep 22, 2022, 1:46 PM
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Yeah, that may be a bit awkward...
But whose fault is it if lots of English-speakers are so lame at speaking foreign languages?
Well, there's that. and French manages to be a language where almost nothing is pronounced phonetically and half of the letters in a word are either silent or a nasal sound.

Anyway, flagship French and British department stores are on a whole other level of experience and quality compared to what we have in North America.
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2022, 11:47 PM
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I don't see any difference between Dillards and Macys. None. Same brands.
I have no idea which Dillards you ducked into, but their stores in the Atlanta market make most Macy's look like JC Penny in comparison. Dillards two largest local stores are much more similar to Nordstrom than Macy's, including their 460,000 sf regional flagship at Lenox Square.

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But yeah, I've noticed that Southerners, in particular, are big fans of Dillards.
And there's a reason for this affection. Just like people everywhere, Southerners value quality and customer service as much as any region does - which is sorely lacking at most Macy's.
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2022, 11:56 PM
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muppet, thanks for all the interesting info and photos.
At which department stores do you shop?
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I have no idea which Dillards you ducked into, but their stores in the Atlanta market make most Macy's look like JC Penny in comparison. Dillards two largest local stores are much more similar to Nordstrom than Macy's, including their 460,000 sf regional flagship at Lenox Square.
I've been to the Dillards at Lenox. No different than Macys.

Also, Nordstrom isn't particularly upscale either. Maybe a half step up from either.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2022, 12:33 AM
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The Dillard's here are upscale, especially the one at the Domain. I've never been to the Macy's at the Domain, so I can't compare.
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I've been to the Dillards at Lenox. No different than Macys.

Also, Nordstrom isn't particularly upscale either. Maybe a half step up from either.
Oh please. Nordstrom is way more upscale than Macy's or Dillard's. It's not as upscale as Saks, but it's in a totally different league than Macy's.

Dillards entered the Cincinnati market when I was a kid, replacing the much nicer local store, McAlpins, at all the local malls. I always found Dillard's stores to be a dump, and a considerable downgrade both from McAlpin's and Lazarus (which turned into Macy's). Cincinnati's Nordstrom replaced the now defunct (I think) Parisian, which was a pretty nice department store too.
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I've been to the Dillards at Lenox. No different than Macys.
No, you haven't. They don't have a store at Lenox.

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LOL! Compared to Macy's, they most certainly are. Get back to me when Macy's offers champagne bars, full service spas and real customer service.
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LOL! Compared to Macy's, they most certainly are. Get back to me when Macy's offers champagne bars, full service spas and real customer service.
for real.

Check out the Nordstrom in downtown Toronto at the Eaton Centre
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2022, 4:09 AM
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The gap between Nordstrom and Macys is about the same as the gap between Macys and JCPenney. It’s not a half step up. It’s a full tier up.
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muppet, thanks for all the interesting info and photos.
At which department stores do you shop?
Thanks, ah I don't shop in any as there are better deals almost everywhere else, and snappier designs (notably online or High Street chains employing all those cutting edge fashion students) -one of the reasons many of these establishments are a dying breed. If you want to look at staid, boring designs from yesteryear targeting Middle England, but with extra zeroes added on, head to a department store.

As mentioned most local 'High Streets' used to have department stores dotting round the city -my local was Morley's in Brixton, which always bought a touch of class through the clouds of weed




Before that was the Arsenal Cooperative (which went bust years before) and is -you've guessed it -luxury flats now, plonked into grimy old Woolwich




My new one became Arding & Hobbs in Clapham Junction, when I moved here 2 years ago. Many districts have a version of this dept store building - on the corner, with a tower, now converted into expensive apartments, or downgraded into a charity shop and a Phones-4-U




Both were stalwarts of the local area, but closed during the pandemic . They're now being turned into start-up versions of themselves, instead of name outlets it'll be food vans, bars and chichi boutiques inside.

I'll sometimes go into Selfridges for a packet of crisps and wedge of bread (to stare at for days), which is surprisingly affordable and with the best range of exotic stuff. Other times Harrods Food Halls is worth the jaunt, just to check out goods completely outta your range -look out maybe for half a macaron someone left behind, or shred of sushi that's fallen on the floor.




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Calgary still has The Bay, Simons, and Holt Renfrew.
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Kind of a fun read about Bloomingdale's during its peak years as a retail icon. https://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/n...y-of-bloomies/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzYl3s3_jHk&t=26s True blast from the past. And the prices seem so cheap. Not so at the time, however. Most SSP forum members have no memory of this era.

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I wonder where people in Santa Barbara go to do their shopping now? That Nordstrom was very nice, too, so I'm really bummed to see that go. I know State Street still has a considerable cluster of retail, and there are some high end shops in the Montecito Country Mart, but do people really have to go down to Ventura to shop at a real mall/department store?
Yeah, I was going to say La Cumbre plaza, Macys. I think part of the problem in SB is what plagues areas in California(and other places) is homeless issues. State Street is special and should really be an enforced area for cleanliness and non-loitering laws.
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Surprisingly this is my first or one of my few posts ever on this site, but I find downtown department stores fascinating, especially the sort of niche, independent department stores. While these stores don't reach the size and scale of standard department stores, they are variably larger than just a simple boutique, often carrying full scale departments for both men and women, accessories, and sometimes even home goods. Here's a brief list of some:

Philly -- Boyd's
New York -- Bergdorf's -- sort of the outlier here, but still, there are only two locations, and they are across from each other.'
FYI, Bergdorf's is not really an "independent" store as it's long been owned (along with Holt Renfrew in Canada) by the holding company that owns Neiman-Marcus, and you can use your Neiman's card throughout the chain regardless of nameplate. Funnily, I had a Neiman's credit card from high school on and it was always fun to use it at Bergdorf's and (later for me) Holt Renfrew.

But when they opened that mens' store across 5th Avenue from the original it was a very big deal.
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