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wrab · #**11001** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 3:03 AM**

Good to have a firm open on the Apple Store; I'll walk down there on the 23rd with my camera.

Tom Servo · #**11002** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 3:07 AM**

LAME! we got a replica of the apple store in scottsdale:

new york city get's the 5th ave store, and then the new broadway store... and we get (while still a nice building) a recycled design?

intrepidDesign · #**11003** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 3:29 AM**

Wow. That really kinda ticks me off. Even when it was going up I wasn't really that excited about how it was turning out, but now I just feel snubbed. I guess, North and Clybourn is just more flyover territory not worthy of an original design. Hell even Starbucks mixes it up from store to store and you can't walk 2 blocks without hitting one. Remember the old 1984 ad? Oh the irony...

wrab · #**11004** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 3:35 AM**

I understand - I was bummed too when the design previewed. The NY stores are awesome. But how is this any different from the city of Chicago using the same design for multiple schools or fire stations?

Tom Servo · #**11005** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 3:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by wrabbit

But how is this any different from the city of Chicago using the same design for multiple schools or fire stations?

is that a serious question? public service buildings vs high end retailer with few free standing stores?

ardecila · #**11006** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 3:59 AM**

The same design has also been used in Manhasset.

That's right, Apple thinks Lincoln Park is just like Long Island.

Honestly, I'm not too bummed. It's still a fairly unique design. Not to mention the fact that we get a cool plaza and a renovated subway station. I'm also curious to see whether the Lincoln Park location will include an underground level. They built a basement, but I don't know if it will be public or not. If it is public, then we'll probably get an Apple Spiral Stair.

i_am_hydrogen · #**11007** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 4:17 AM**

^Agreed. C'mon, let's not manifest the woebegone, cry-baby mentality. The design is fairly strong in my opinion. Consider for a moment that a gas station once stood at this site.

wrab · #**11008** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 5:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by AdrianXSands

is that a serious question? public service buildings vs high end retailer with few free standing stores?

Is that a serious question about my question? I'd like to see something stronger here, but the design doesn't tarnish the brand.

denizen467 · #**11009** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 10:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by AdrianXSands

LAME! we got a replica of the apple store in scottsdale
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new york city get's the 5th ave store, and then the new broadway store... and we get (while still a nice building) a recycled design?

Totally agree. Lazy-ass waste.

This is a unique triangular site, which this cookie-cutter design completely ignores. Even a rectangular building could have somehow paid respect to Clybourn, the unique thoroughfare at this intersection.

I think I'll go to the new Jewel on Oct 23rd instead of here.

the urban politician · #**11010** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 1:46 PM**

^ You whiners clearly have forgotten that previous developers (and the acquiescing city that let it happen) bestowed this particular area with some of the most horrific, worthless suburban style strip center design one could get, and which Chicagoans will have to stomach for at least a generation.

If you wanted Apple to come in with their A-game you need to have a place that is worthy. North and Clybourn clearly isn't yet worthy.

Busy Bee · #**11011** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 2:14 PM**

Plenty of midcentury Miesian and Miesen protege towers are virtually identical. How is this different again?

Tom Servo · #**11012** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 2:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Plenty of midcentury Miesian and Miesen protege towers are virtually identical. How is this different again?

because free standing apple stores have a history of being unique? and these are small retail shops, not massive buildings?

anyway, i wasn't trying to create a big ruckus...

i think it's a great building, and looks great on the site... it's just annoying to me that it's not an original or high profile design like the ny stores. oh well.

the urban politician · #**11013** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 3:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by AdrianXSands

i think it's a great building, and looks great on the site... it's just annoying to me that it's not an original or high profile design like the ny stores. oh well.

^ Maybe we need to come back down to earth and realize that North and Clybourn isn't Fifth and 59th.

denizen467 · #**11014** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 7:49 PM**

^ Make Little Plans ?

This is a company that has deep pockets (really deep; see WSJ recently) and is insanely image-conscious. Enough $$ and political capital were sloshing around to beautify a rail station and get all the roads repaved around this block.

I am not asking for a Louvre-inspired tiffany dome crystal palace. Just something that is contextual and recognizes that it's in the capital of architecture. Instead, we copy Arizona, which urbanism wise is one of the most banal places in the country.

And ignoring the Clybourn diagonal just grates on my eyes.

Baronvonellis · #**11015** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 9:32 PM**

Plus, unless I'm mistaken there are no windows along Halsted st either. That's not very urban or attractive to have a blank wall along the whole block even if it's made out of solid gold.

Tom Servo · #**11016** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 10:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Baronvonellis

Plus, unless I'm mistaken there are no windows along Halsted st either. That's not very urban or attractive to have a blank wall along the whole block even if it's made out of solid gold.

sure it is... an austere titanium wall is the type of aesthetic apple wants. plus it's not fully blank. there will be (if it's the same as the one in scottsdale) a glass display window.

as i said before, i really like the building, and i think it's an overall success both aesthetically and contextually (i like the juxtaposition of a cold metal box on the site).

Rizzo · #**11017** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 10:16 PM**

Uh....I thought that it was 100% established that this store would look exactly like the Scottsdale + other stores well before the first bulldozer showed up on site. Why are we all crying about this now or was at least half the Chicago forumers absent the day this was discussed?

Tom Servo · #**11018** Posted **Oct 16, 2010, 10:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Uh....I thought that it was 100% established that this store would look exactly like the Scottsdale + other stores well before the first bulldozer showed up on site. Why are we all crying about this now or was at least half the Chicago forumers absent the day this was discussed?

oh, my bad... i didn't know. this was news to me as of a few days ago. sorry y'all...

Rizzo · #**11019** Posted **Oct 17, 2010, 2:04 AM**

It's alright...just feel we've already been through this and didn't need another rehash.

the urban politician · #**11020** Posted **Oct 17, 2010, 3:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by denizen467

I am not asking for a Louvre-inspired tiffany dome crystal palace. Just something that is contextual and recognizes that it's in the capital of architecture.

^ Uhhh, once again, are you talking about the same "capital of architecture" that once had a gas station at this site, and has massive strip malls all within a one block distance of the station?

So here I am, the guy from Apple, scoping the site, and across the street I see a strip center with a CB2 and street level parking. Down the street I see a forgettable Crate and barrel with massive parking lot. Further down, I see a scene that is pretty much anywhere USA--Barnes and Noble, Best Buy, etc etc with seas of parking. Having seen that, I'm supposed to say "ahhh, this is clearly the capital of architecture! Lets build a masterpiece here worthy of its distinguished pantheon of neighbors!". Nope, don't think so.

Chicago gets what it deserves with this one, sorry.