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Old Posted Nov 8, 2022, 4:01 PM
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"No talented architects or architecture critics or academics elsewhere around the world are going to each other, "hey, you have to see the stuff they've put up in Chicago recently."

Who cares what they think. Look at what was considered great architecture by that crowd in the 80s, it looks ridiculous now. 90s looks a like dam clown show. 2000s - just bad. 2010s - looks like the same dam script running on every firm around the globe and frankly unappealing to 99% of the public. Point is, academics, architects and architecture critics are probably the last people we should look to for good architecture. Remember, for every Mies masterpiece like IBM or LSD apartments, there are thousands of ugly, depressing modernist knock offs. Same as in every other era. I rather think our lack of of magazine quality buildings is a good thing, it's the age of one offs and Id rather see a nice cohesive whole than a city full of loud obnoxious ego monuments that will look dated in a decades time.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2022, 4:43 PM
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Looking back at the OP that started this. My opinion is I’m less worried about a warehouse going up on existing industrial land next to an expressway. It’s always been that way. The real concerns are restoring our lost urban fabrics. Worry about the strip malls and suburban restaurants and gas stations that once replaced beautiful turn of the century commercial buildings in established neighborhoods. Those are the sites that should be redeemed with quality urban development.

We will still need large warehouses, cement plants, service stations and big box retail with parking lots to function. I have no objections to this type of stuff existing in the transitional, mostly industrial, spaces in our city.

It’s good to always want a city to do better, but keep in mind what the development reality for a site like this would be if it were residential. Probably bland glass boxes with big parking podiums.

Sometimes the energy and enthusiasm for better urban planning is misplaced. What makes Chicago great is our lakefront, downtown with modem skyscrapers, vibrant commercial corridors and historic architecture. Focus the energy on keeping it that way. Need not get upset about a warehouse in a forgotten part of town. Would your prefer they pick an industrial property with beautiful century old industrial architecture and tear that down or on a site that was a 1
Story building and a fuel tank for 100 years?
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2022, 5:56 PM
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^I was agreeing with you until you said forgotten real estate. I don't think anybody here is against warehouses, at the end of the day, Chicago at its core is a blue collar city and the manufacturing and warehouse base here is critical for our economy. HOWEVER, Goose Island is not some "forgotten part of town". This is PRIME real estate (right next to riverfront, super close to downtown, right in the middle of a fast transforming area) that deserves better than a some warehouse you can find in Cairo, Illinois. Put it anywhere in the city but THERE.

Can't believe all these people are defending this lol. We should want better for our city. Mixed use residential with a riverfront park and graded parking would be a 10000x better use than...that. I digress tho.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2022, 6:00 PM
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some warehouse you can find in Cairo, Illinois.
Cairo, IL would KILL to have economic development activity like a warehouse of this scale.

Cairo is slowly whithering away to full ghost-town status.

1940: 14,407 | 6.5% (peak)
1950: 12,123 | −15.9%
1960: 9,348 | −22.9%
1970: 6,277 | −32.9%
1980: 5,931 | −5.5%
1990: 4,846 | −18.3%
2000: 3,632 | −25.1%
2010: 2,831 | −22.1%
2020: 1,733 | −38.8%


and Cairo's county, Alexander, led the entire nation last decade in population loss with a -36.4%.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2022, 6:45 PM
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Cairo, IL would KILL to have economic development activity like a warehouse of this scale.

Cairo is slowly whithering away to full ghost-town status.

1940: 14,407 | 6.5% (peak)
1950: 12,123 | −15.9%
1960: 9,348 | −22.9%
1970: 6,277 | −32.9%
1980: 5,931 | −5.5%
1990: 4,846 | −18.3%
2000: 3,632 | −25.1%
2010: 2,831 | −22.1%
2020: 1,733 | −38.8%


and Cairo's county, Alexander, led the entire nation last decade in population loss with a -36.4%.
I remember driving through Cairo on the way back from Mephis to Carbondale 25 years ago. At the time it felt like a quasi-ghost town, more dead than alive.
Hard for me to fathom it has lost nearly HALF of the small bare bones life that remained even back then.

Even though river shipping is not what it was it is still hard to believe that Cairo couldn't find a modern role given its prominace at the Mississippi and Ohio river junction.
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If you open google streetview, select commercial Ave in Cairo and toggle between 2008 and 2013 or present. Really sad how much disappeared.
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For me - I'm just perplexed as to why the city zoned this particular area the way they did. We have Lincoln Yards immediately to the North, and the Casino immediately to the South. Putting warehouses in the middle doesn't make sense to me from an urban planning perspective. If it was north of Lincoln Yards, fine. If it was south of 78, fine. But..... Here? If anything, the city should be working on bridging Wicker Park / LP/Old Town by bringing residential/retail to the area along with enhanced ped experiences. Just my two cents though....
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2022, 9:46 PM
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Look. This is a Planned Manufacturing District. It has been studied and planned to hell and back. The city has decided many times over that it is important to have a diverse economy that includes manufacturing and industrial uses. Just like alleys, these create corridors that while they may not look pretty serve a vital function for the city. Many of these industrial uses might need access to the river to function.

If you want to read more about the cities most recent vision for this district, it's here. https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/dept...-corridor.html
As I've seen some semi trucks get stuck, block traffic, and get skinned by the low underpasses, I've recently begun to hope that the city will restrict semis in the majority of the city. I'd more willingly sacrifice some land (close to highways) for PMDs/warehouses and require that companies send smaller deliver trucks to service the city. This would really help with car traffic congestion, and biking and walking would be more pleasant. We could also have narrower streets to calm car traffic with more space for bikes and sidewalks. We need to focus on keeping Chicago a desirable place to live, prioritizing people over automotive convenience, and then business/industry will do whatever they need to, however inconvenient or expensive, to service the people who live here.
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"No talented architects or architecture critics or academics elsewhere around the world are going to each other, "hey, you have to see the stuff they've put up in Chicago recently."

Who cares what they think. Look at what was considered great architecture by that crowd in the 80s, it looks ridiculous now. 90s looks a like dam clown show. 2000s - just bad. 2010s - looks like the same dam script running on every firm around the globe and frankly unappealing to 99% of the public. Point is, academics, architects and architecture critics are probably the last people we should look to for good architecture. Remember, for every Mies masterpiece like IBM or LSD apartments, there are thousands of ugly, depressing modernist knock offs. Same as in every other era. I rather think our lack of of magazine quality buildings is a good thing, it's the age of one offs and Id rather see a nice cohesive whole than a city full of loud obnoxious ego monuments that will look dated in a decades time.
Architecture starts to look good again after about 50 years. We’ll all be drooling over 311 s wacker come 2040. Michael graves should be back in soon.
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We’ll all be drooling over 311 s wacker come 2040.
you're probably right......


but i still don't want you to be
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2022, 11:28 PM
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It should be illegal to allow these pot shops to open in River North/anywhere downtown. What a waste of prime real estate.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/cann...te-river-north
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2022, 11:40 PM
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It should be illegal to allow these pot shops to open in River North/anywhere downtown. What a waste of prime real estate.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/cann...te-river-north
They're paying rent like any other business, so what's the problem? The landlords don't think it's a waste.
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They're paying rent like any other business, so what's the problem? The landlords don't think it's a waste.
Especially when we have an oversaturation of retail space and vacancies it's not like they are really displacing other services.
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It should be illegal to allow these pot shops to open in River North/anywhere downtown. What a waste of prime real estate.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/cann...te-river-north
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2022, 4:26 AM
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It should be illegal to allow these pot shops to open in River North/anywhere downtown. What a waste of prime real estate.

https://www.chicagobusiness.com/cann...te-river-north
I'm confused with this one as there is one right around the corner, like 300 ft away. I thought there was some sort of restriction on proximity to one another.



Also the article says "one of the first of 192 licenses" ?!?!?! Holy smokes (pun intended).

Same as it ever was. Government is broke and looks to new gambling and drug sales for income just like the mafia did long ago. Both exchanging payment for protection - both from themselves and others. It used to be in the form form cash and favors and is now in the form of exorbitant taxation and "licensing" for permission to conduct previously illegal business on their turf. Moving the city forward.
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2022, 12:17 PM
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Why?
They have oversaturated downtown (River North specifically) and there are plans to add hundreds more. I get the need for filling up vacant retail space, but the amount of cannabis shops is getting out of hand. Especially because some of these buildings (see 612 N Wells, Rainforest Cafe, etc.) would be great tear-down candidates for new development.
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Building permit issued for a 5 story, 32 unit building at 451 E Pershing. There's been a noticeable amount of infill for Pershing Ave the past couple of years
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They have oversaturated downtown (River North specifically) and there are plans to add hundreds more. I get the need for filling up vacant retail space, but the amount of cannabis shops is getting out of hand. Especially because some of these buildings (see 612 N Wells, Rainforest Cafe, etc.) would be great tear-down candidates for new development.
How many bars are there downtown?

Also, there are not plans to open hundreds more dispensaries downtown.
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2022, 3:35 PM
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the dispensaries are still businesses that have to be economically viable. just because there are a lot of licenses does not mean there will be a lot of dispensaries long term. it will go through the same cycles and any other industry, especially once it's cleared at the federal level.
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