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Old Posted Feb 12, 2022, 5:22 PM
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That would be amazing, thanks! I agree with 100k+ – it'll be exciting to experience Chicago take another step up in energy downtown, especially in some of the traditionally liminal areas.
Now that I finally have time, here's my take on downtown's expected unit count over the next decade. To estimate this, first let's consider all the proposed & U/C units we know of thanks to this map from a forumer: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...638113428&z=14

The Loop
Here I'll consider the community area, which stretches down to Roosevelt. The area's underlying zoning allows for incredibly dense buildings, which is excellent since there aren't many developable sites left. 1000M and 525 S Wabash are examples, which each having +700 units. There have also been several office-to-residential conversions. As firms continue to relocate along the river and West Loop, there's huge potential for a lot of Class C and B office buildings to be converted to residential uses. Lakeshore East and Riverline/Southbank are expected to wrap up construction this decade. In total: ~7,800 new units

West Loop
So West Loop, especially Fulton Market, has been on fire. For all the units proposed and under construction in just the last 2 years, we arrive at over 11k new units! About 7k of which is in Fulton Market. The funny thing is I might still be missing a proposal or two, since there's so much activity in the area. For an area with almost no residential suddenly approaching extreme densities, the only other precedent I can think of in the US is LIC or downtown Jersey City. In total for the past two years: ~11,700 units!

Near South Side
This is a weird one since most of the planned units are in mega-developments (the 78 and One Central), which have massive uncertainties in financing and multi-year construction phases. So anywhere from 0 to 20k units could be built this decade. Let's take the low estimate that only the 78 is financed and they only build 5k units this decade. We also have projects such as the Harold Ickes redevelopment which is moving along, and NEMA phase 2 & 3 which is purely hypothetical. Taking all these together, the rough estimate is: ~7,500 units

Near North Side + River West
For anyone thinking there isn't enough activity in the northern part of downtown, you'd be mistaken. North Union, Halsted Point, Old Town Park, and the River District are mega-developments that are extending the skyline. Current plans for Cabrini-Green redevelopment places around ~3k new units. Dense developments such as WPE and One Chicago have opened, with several such as Tribune East and 400 N LSD possibly starting soon. The area around North/Clybourn has several new developments. I could keep going on, but the summary is there's a lot of activity going on. As of now, the area is expected to gain: ~20,100 units!

Since the avg houshold size across downtown varies from 1.5 to 2.0 people, let's assume 1.75 ppl/hhold. 47,100 units x 1.75 ppl/hhold = ~82,500 new residents!

Do note, we are only two years into the 2020s and we are able to forecast ~82k new residents by the end of the decade. The next 8 years could easily double or even triple this number. It's very much possible we'll see additional megadevelopments over the next decade. For instance, the Old Post Office still has zoning approved for over 6,000 units. Streeterville has typically had some of the highest office vacancies in downtown, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were also large residential conversions. The location for the casino will have a major influence on some unit counts. If the 78 or One Central, then it's possible later phases will get built sooner, allowing for more units. If The River District is chosen, then the casino will take up most of the site and less units will be built.

Tl;dr even though these are estimates, they demonstrate downtown Chicago is still booming
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2022, 11:55 PM
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^Terrible, already looks dated. Chicago gotta do better. I know this forum hates comparisons and y'all already know what city I'm going to compare it to so I won't and I don't wanna derail the topic but this is bad... Those apartments over in that second pic don't look any better. Patiently waiting for this blocky, sunbelt style architecture development trend to end.

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You really have to go out of your way to think up something that bad.

Good density. Putrid form.
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Jesus that looks gross.
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By the looks of it, it's an apartment for the undead. Undoubtedly they have different tastes.
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Looks like a dorm in Dekalb
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2022, 1:05 AM
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Saw that the DOH's twitter has been tweeting about the recent LIHTC funded projects. Didn't realize there were so many new developments: https://twitter.com/ChicagoDOH

Urban Native American Housing | 45 units


4715 N Western Ave | 51 units


1801 S Wabash Ave | 50 units


43 Green Phase 2 | 78 units


East Morgan Park Commons | 80 units


Imani Village | 70 units


LeClaire Courts | 111 units


Legends South | 61 units


SACRED Apartments | 81 units


The Regenerator Englewood | 42 units


Thrive Englewood | 61 units


1237 N California Ave | 40 units


Parkside | 99 units
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Thanks for sharing. I wasn’t aware of some of these. I love that the 2nd phase of 43 Green is already in the pipeline.

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1801 S Wabash Ave | 50 units
I had to look this one up. Looks like this new construction is part of a rehab of the building at 1801 S Wabash. The new building in this image will be located at 1800 S Michigan Ave I believe.
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Good shit...need about a thousand more of these across our myriad of vacants lots across the city.
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I don't really get the hate for this one. It's nothing special for sure but it has ground floor retail, no visible parking podium, and a fairly interesting facade. The blue is definitely a love/hate type of thing but paint is cheap. If instead of blue it was white then you could mistake this for something in Copenhagen or Malmo.
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I'm generally happy with this building. Aesthetically, it's not great. On the upper portion, the brick and blue metal are fine but the black metal at the corners and the cast-stone cornice on the base just makes it look like building-material salad, too many ingredients and no cohesiveness.

But the building is a ton of density just one block south of the Blue Line, and it provides a public restroom and access point to the 606. So in my book, it's good infill...
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Now that I finally have time, here's my take on downtown's expected unit count over the next decade. To estimate this, first let's consider all the proposed & U/C units we know of thanks to this map from a forumer: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...638113428&z=14

The Loop
Here I'll consider the community area, which stretches down to Roosevelt. The area's underlying zoning allows for incredibly dense buildings, which is excellent since there aren't many developable sites left. 1000M and 525 S Wabash are examples, which each having +700 units. There have also been several office-to-residential conversions. As firms continue to relocate along the river and West Loop, there's huge potential for a lot of Class C and B office buildings to be converted to residential uses. Lakeshore East and Riverline/Southbank are expected to wrap up construction this decade. In total: ~7,800 new units

West Loop
So West Loop, especially Fulton Market, has been on fire. For all the units proposed and under construction in just the last 2 years, we arrive at over 11k new units! About 7k of which is in Fulton Market. The funny thing is I might still be missing a proposal or two, since there's so much activity in the area. For an area with almost no residential suddenly approaching extreme densities, the only other precedent I can think of in the US is LIC or downtown Jersey City. In total for the past two years: ~11,700 units!

Near South Side
This is a weird one since most of the planned units are in mega-developments (the 78 and One Central), which have massive uncertainties in financing and multi-year construction phases. So anywhere from 0 to 20k units could be built this decade. Let's take the low estimate that only the 78 is financed and they only build 5k units this decade. We also have projects such as the Harold Ickes redevelopment which is moving along, and NEMA phase 2 & 3 which is purely hypothetical. Taking all these together, the rough estimate is: ~7,500 units

Near North Side + River West
For anyone thinking there isn't enough activity in the northern part of downtown, you'd be mistaken. North Union, Halsted Point, Old Town Park, and the River District are mega-developments that are extending the skyline. Current plans for Cabrini-Green redevelopment places around ~3k new units. Dense developments such as WPE and One Chicago have opened, with several such as Tribune East and 400 N LSD possibly starting soon. The area around North/Clybourn has several new developments. I could keep going on, but the summary is there's a lot of activity going on. As of now, the area is expected to gain: ~20,100 units!

Since the avg houshold size across downtown varies from 1.5 to 2.0 people, let's assume 1.75 ppl/hhold. 47,100 units x 1.75 ppl/hhold = ~82,500 new residents!

Do note, we are only two years into the 2020s and we are able to forecast ~82k new residents by the end of the decade. The next 8 years could easily double or even triple this number. It's very much possible we'll see additional megadevelopments over the next decade. For instance, the Old Post Office still has zoning approved for over 6,000 units. Streeterville has typically had some of the highest office vacancies in downtown, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were also large residential conversions. The location for the casino will have a major influence on some unit counts. If the 78 or One Central, then it's possible later phases will get built sooner, allowing for more units. If The River District is chosen, then the casino will take up most of the site and less units will be built.

Tl;dr even though these are estimates, they demonstrate downtown Chicago is still booming
This is a great breakdown, thanks! It definitely seems like we're on track to add 100,000 residents this decade given how much is already in the pipeline.
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I don't really get the hate for this one. It's nothing special for sure but it has ground floor retail, no visible parking podium, and a fairly interesting facade. The blue is definitely a love/hate type of thing but paint is cheap. If instead of blue it was white then you could mistake this for something in Copenhagen or Malmo.
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43 Green Phase 2 | 78 units
^ I really love the visual density of this one, even though it's only 78 units. But having something with this type of presence in some of these transit adjacent south side hoods can go a long way
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^Some of those renderings give me LA vibes. I don't know if any of y'all been over there lately, but alot of the infill projects in LA look like 43 Green Phase 2

But yes I agree 100% the urban politician. Lots of blight surrouding southside and westside L stations, there should be tons of these surrounding all the cta stations.
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As someone who drives through that intersection on 43rd every day, it’s hard to overstate how transformative to the area Phase 1 + Phase 2 will be. Finding ways to get The Forum renovation fully funded will hopefully become a priority and then this area becomes a destination
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^ I really love the visual density of this one, even though it's only 78 units. But having something with this type of presence in some of these transit adjacent south side hoods can go a long way
And the fact that there's sooooo much vacant land in the surrounding area along the green line for similar density.
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I'm generally happy with this building. Aesthetically, it's not great. On the upper portion, the brick and blue metal are fine but the black metal at the corners and the cast-stone cornice on the base just makes it look like building-material salad, too many ingredients and no cohesiveness.

But the building is a ton of density just one block south of the Blue Line, and it provides a public restroom and access point to the 606. So in my book, it's good infill...
I don't like the garage entrance/curb cut on western (especially since there is alley access) but the idea that this building is "terrible" has no merit in my mind.
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