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Old Posted May 18, 2023, 1:39 AM
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Expensive Coastal Metros lose college grads, cheaper ones mostly gain

The New York Times notes how outflows of college graduates seems to be starting or accelerating in many wealthy metros, but the trend is mostly better in less expensive metros

Coastal Cities Priced Out Low-Wage Workers. Now College Graduates Are Leaving, Too.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...n=The%20Upshot

Net Migration of College Graduates, 2010-2021
(Wealthier metros bolded)
1,) Dallas +57K
2.) Houston +50K
3.) Denver +49K
4.) Phoenix +49K
5.) Boston +39K
6.) Austin +37K
7.) Seattle +32K
8.) Nashville +31K
9.) Charlotte +31K
10.) Tampa +31K
11.) Portland +26K
12.) Atlanta +24K
13.) Jacksonville +22K
14.) Las Vegas +20K
15.) Raleigh +20K
16.) Kansas City +13K
17.) Minneapolis +11K
18.) Riverside +11K
19.) Sacramento +11K
20.) Richmond +10K
21.) San Antonio +10K
22.) Indianapolis +6K
23.) San Diego +5K
24.) Orlando +4K
25.) Oklahoma City +2K
26.) St Louis +2K
27.) Birmingham +1K
28.) Washington, DC +1K
29.) Cleveland +1K
30.) Salt Lake City +1K
31.) Baltimore +1K
32.) Louisville No Change
33.) Miami No Change
34.) New Orleans No Change
35.) Virginia Beach No Change
36.) Honolulu -1K
37.) Grand Rapids -1K
38.) Cincinnati -1K
39.) Memphis -2K
40.) Columbus -3K
41.) Pittsburgh -4K
42.) San Francisco -4K
43.) Milwaukee -5K
44.) Buffalo -5K
45.) Detroit -6K
46.) Hartford -7K
47.) Rochester -7K
48.) Philadelphia -8K
49.) San Jose -19K
50.) Chicago -29K
51.) Providence -35K
52.) Los Angeles -41K
53.) New York City -160K
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Old Posted May 18, 2023, 3:01 AM
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Very pleased to see the Inland Empire attenuating for something beyond population losses in LA/OC. The median household income in Riverside County is now over $76,000, placing it between Minnesota and New York, and about halfway between California and the nation as a whole.
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Old Posted May 18, 2023, 2:53 PM
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The New York Times notes how outflows of college graduates seems to be starting or accelerating in many wealthy metros, but the trend is mostly better in less expensive metros

Coastal Cities Priced Out Low-Wage Workers. Now College Graduates Are Leaving, Too.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...n=The%20Upshot

Net Migration of College Graduates, 2010-2021
(Wealthier metros bolded)
1,) Dallas +57K
2.) Houston +50K
3.) Denver +49K
4.) Phoenix +49K
5.) Boston +39K
6.) Austin +37K
7.) Seattle +32K
8.) Nashville +31K
9.) Charlotte +31K
10.) Tampa +31K
11.) Portland +26K
12.) Atlanta +24K
13.) Jacksonville +22K
14.) Las Vegas +20K
15.) Raleigh +20K
16.) Kansas City +13K
17.) Minneapolis +11K
18.) Riverside +11K
19.) Sacramento +11K
20.) Richmond +10K
21.) San Antonio +10K
22.) Indianapolis +6K
23.) San Diego +5K
24.) Orlando +4K
25.) Oklahoma City +2K
26.) St Louis +2K
27.) Birmingham +1K
28.) Washington, DC +1K
29.) Cleveland +1K
30.) Salt Lake City +1K
31.) Baltimore +1K
32.) Louisville No Change
33.) Miami No Change
34.) New Orleans No Change
35.) Virginia Beach No Change
36.) Honolulu -1K
37.) Grand Rapids -1K
38.) Cincinnati -1K
39.) Memphis -2K
40.) Columbus -3K
41.) Pittsburgh -4K
42.) San Francisco -4K
43.) Milwaukee -5K
44.) Buffalo -5K
45.) Detroit -6K
46.) Hartford -7K
47.) Rochester -7K
48.) Philadelphia -8K
49.) San Jose -19K
50.) Chicago -29K
51.) Providence -35K
52.) Los Angeles -41K
53.) New York City -160K
I wonder if Boston's strong showing is due to Providence RI and Harford grads relocating due to better opportunities... I am surprised that Columbus OH doing so poorly as the metro is one of the stronger Midwest growth regions. Miami is also a surprise but maybe it has turned around since 2002 with Citadel moving HQ and some financial firms from NY opening offices.
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Old Posted May 18, 2023, 6:53 PM
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The New York Times notes how outflows of college graduates seems to be starting or accelerating in many wealthy metros, but the trend is mostly better in less expensive metros

Coastal Cities Priced Out Low-Wage Workers. Now College Graduates Are Leaving, Too.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...n=The%20Upshot

Net Migration of College Graduates, 2010-2021
(Wealthier metros bolded)
1,) Dallas +57K
2.) Houston +50K
3.) Denver +49K
4.) Phoenix +49K
5.) Boston +39K
6.) Austin +37K
7.) Seattle +32K
8.) Nashville +31K
9.) Charlotte +31K
10.) Tampa +31K
11.) Portland +26K
12.) Atlanta +24K
13.) Jacksonville +22K
14.) Las Vegas +20K
15.) Raleigh +20K
16.) Kansas City +13K
17.) Minneapolis +11K
18.) Riverside +11K
19.) Sacramento +11K
20.) Richmond +10K
21.) San Antonio +10K
22.) Indianapolis +6K
23.) San Diego +5K
24.) Orlando +4K
25.) Oklahoma City +2K
26.) St Louis +2K
27.) Birmingham +1K
28.) Washington, DC +1K
29.) Cleveland +1K
30.) Salt Lake City +1K
31.) Baltimore +1K
32.) Louisville No Change
33.) Miami No Change
34.) New Orleans No Change
35.) Virginia Beach No Change
36.) Honolulu -1K
37.) Grand Rapids -1K
38.) Cincinnati -1K
39.) Memphis -2K
40.) Columbus -3K
41.) Pittsburgh -4K
42.) San Francisco -4K
43.) Milwaukee -5K
44.) Buffalo -5K
45.) Detroit -6K
46.) Hartford -7K
47.) Rochester -7K
48.) Philadelphia -8K
49.) San Jose -19K
50.) Chicago -29K
51.) Providence -35K
52.) Los Angeles -41K
53.) New York City -160K
It seems like natural market flow to me. The "Middle" of the country AKA cheaper metros still has a lot of development to go that's why the south and mountain states have high growth they are all still relatively unsettled and developed areas compared to older more established areas.

There is still an absolutely enormous amount of space in the USA to fill in, people will flow those directions for opportunities.
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Old Posted May 22, 2023, 2:18 AM
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The New York Times notes how outflows of college graduates seems to be starting or accelerating in many wealthy metros, but the trend is mostly better in less expensive metros

Coastal Cities Priced Out Low-Wage Workers. Now College Graduates Are Leaving, Too.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...n=The%20Upshot
While not surprising I am pretty sure Philadelphia as a whole now has the highest population of college/some-college graduates in the city's history.
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Old Posted May 22, 2023, 12:51 PM
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While not surprising I am pretty sure Philadelphia as a whole now has the highest population of college/some-college graduates in the city's history.
Yes, as I noted in the local Philly thread, this data is misleading, as it only captures migration numbers, NOT total population. When you look at total population of college graduates (which does not narrowly focus on those migrating) Philadelphia comes out as a clear top performer.

This data also looks back to a period starting 13 years ago, which almost seems like an eternity ago. Migration patterns have absolutely shifted since that time, mainly due to affordability.
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Old Posted May 22, 2023, 1:16 PM
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Yes, as I noted in the local Philly thread, this data is misleading, as it only captures migration numbers, NOT total population. When you look at total population of college graduates (which does not narrowly focus on those migrating) Philadelphia comes out as a clear top performer.

This data also looks back to a period starting 13 years ago, which almost seems like an eternity ago. Migration patterns have absolutely shifted since that time, mainly due to affordability.
Agreed! I also wonder how much of this is Penn/Drexel/Jefferson Grads who move out of the city after graduation or the natural migration of families to the burbs? From my experience SJU/Temple/Uarts students are way more likely to stay after graduation.
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