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Old Posted Aug 17, 2022, 8:39 PM
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This snapshot recently popped up on eBay.

..."Antique Hollywood California H B Gordon Sunset Market Arden Milk Photo 1940's"


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I'm gonna to go out on a limb and say the Sunset-Kingsley Market was located at Sunset and Kingsley. (hold your applause)....
but what caught my eye was the other business. Has anyone heard of the H.B. Gordon MFG. Co.? ...I'm intrigued that it says "laboratory" beneath the company's name)
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There's a definite can of worms here.

First of all, the building at Sunset and Kingsley is still there; the diagonal corner hidden behind a false front is visible on Google Earth, and all three palms and the fire hydrant.

A quick search for H B Gordon leads to http://gordonlabsinc.com/ with the statement,
Founded in 1937 by Cosmetic Chemist, M. Martin Gordon and Family, Gordon Labs is located in the Los Angeles area
But this interesting article about Max Martin Gordon's company in Chicago, called Princess Pat says:
Interestingly, there is still a cosmetics research and manufacturing company in Carson, California known as Gordon Labs, Inc., which claims to trace its roots back to a west coast wing of the business M. Martin Gordon organized in 1937. This has proven difficult to substantiate.
And a comment at the bottom says:
The “Gordon Labs” in California has absolutely nothing to do with the Gordons from Chicago. California state records clearly show that the California company now called Gordon Laboratories was originally named “H.B. Gordon Manufacturing Co., Inc” and registered in 1967 long after Patricia and Martin passed away. The California company was only renamed Gordon Laboratories in 2004 and seems to be exploiting the name and legacy of the Gordons from Chicago. There is no proof the Gordons or Princess Pat, Inc. had any connection to the California business nor is there evidence of a “west coast wing” of the Chicago-based company. Curiously, there was an earlier Gordon Laboratories established in California (1965 – 1971) for the manufacture of cosmetics and toilet preparations but it dissolved.
Since our photo is much older than 1967, there must be more to the story. (At least I think it's older than 1967. The two cars might have been old.)

This index of perfume manufacturers says:
Gordon Manufacturing Co, H.B. USA Sunset Blvd, Hollywood; launched Dorothy Gordon and Francine

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Old Posted Aug 17, 2022, 9:33 PM
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A quick check through the CDs shows the H B Gordon Mfg Co at 5201 or 5203 Sunset Boulevard between 1933 and 1965. The Sunset Kingsley Market was at 5205 Sunset Boulevard from 1956 to 1969 (there are no general Los Angeles CDs available at LAPL between 1942 and 1956, so it may have appeared earlier).
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In the early 1970's no lab work, just eating, drinking and folk dancing at 5201 Sunset Boulevard.



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Detail from a 1974 Ed Ruscha picture at getty.edu

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In the early 1970's no lab work, just eating, drinking and folk dancing at 5201 Sunset Boulevard. The empty parking lot doesn't look promising, but this was daytime. Maybe it rocked at night. I picture belly dancing and bouzouki music. Maybe the food was OK.



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Detail from a 1974 Ed Ruscha picture at getty.edu

Gypsy 5 nights, Greek 2 nights. That sounds like a restaurant I wish I had visited. I was at UCLA in 1974. I know about Greek food, but wonder what "Gypsy" (Romany) food was like?
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2022, 4:53 AM
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Thanks for the follow-ups on the Sunset-Kingsley photograph, Mackerm, Hoss, and Noir Noir....
What's the difference between Gypsy and Greek dancing? Less bangles?


The most FUN I had at a restaurant when I lived in Los Angeles was at Moun of Tunis on Sunset Blvd.

I've never been so sweaty in my life. (lots of Ouzo and dancing)



And it's still in business.


GSV / 7445 1/2 Sunset Blvd.


It's sort of hidden from view.


GSV

It's where the railroad tracks used to cross Sunset.
I recently found some vintage photographs of the two gray buildings facing Sunset. I'll see if I can find them.





And they still have belly dancers.



Back then (the 1980s) you got to dance them.


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Old Posted Aug 18, 2022, 5:27 AM
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Harley Bryan Gordon
Born in Texas 12 Jul 1896
Died 31 Jan 1966

1940 city directory

1027 Montrose Ave. South Pasadena




Los Angeles Mirror 11.27.51
Mr. Gordon is currently at Rose Hills in Whittier, CA

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This snapshot recently popped up on eBay.

..."Antique Hollywood California H B Gordon Sunset Market Arden Milk Photo 1940's"


eBay

I'm gonna to go out on a limb and say the Sunset-Kingsley Market was located at Sunset and Kingsley. (hold your applause)....
but what caught my eye was the other business. Has anyone heard of the H.B. Gordon MFG. Co.? ...I'm intrigued that it says "laboratory" beneath the company's name)




Let's take a closer look because something else caught my eye.




There's no question that the Gordon Co. building was repurposed. . . but what I originally thought was merely a decorative facade might be an addition instead. Unless I'm seeing things, it appears to juts out from the original diagonal corner about twenty feet.

. .um. .even though the left end (next to where the car is parked) appears flush with the building. (optical illusion?)

Plus, that right door is awfully high.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2022, 6:32 AM
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Excellent research, SNIX.



I found the old images of the Moun of Tunis area but they weren't photographs. They're screengrabs from a video I watched last week.


Here are the two gray buildings again. (as they look today)





And from an angle.









And in 1952.





I believe the CLEANERS is the gray building on the right in the top views.






And the Montgomery & Son building is the building on the left in the top views.






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Oh, and here's the remastered video I was watching. I'm pretty sure we've seen it before on NLA.

I tried to embed it but it wouldn't work for some reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM5A4TamTzo

Right off the bat a jeep almost gets hit by a car.


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In the early 1970's no lab work, just eating, drinking and folk dancing at 5201 Sunset Boulevard.



socalfolkdance.org
Bora Ozkok used to run escourted tours of Turkey as late as the 2000's.
I wonder if he still does.
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The most FUN I had at a restaurant when I lived in Los Angeles was at Moun of Tunis on Sunset Blvd.

I've never been so sweaty in my life. (lots of Ouzo and dancing)


And it's still in business.


GSV / 7445 1/2 Sunset Blvd.

Some details from Ed Ruscha glimpses of 7445½ Sunset Blvd. over the years.


From the early 1960's to 1977 it was the Sabra Cafe - seen here in 1965.



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Here's the Moun of Tunis and it's sign in 1985.



getty.edu


In 1990 it's staying open while undergoing remodelling work.



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Oh, and here's the remastered video I was watching. I'm pretty sure we've seen it before on NLA.

I tried to embed it but it wouldn't work for some reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM5A4TamTzo

Right off the bat a jeep almost gets hit by a car. (you can hear the car horn)


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The Jeep making a left and almost being hit is the result of the left turn as no laws requiring the turner to wait till traffic clears then. As you notice other cars made lefts in front of on coming traffic. The horn blast I believe is signaling between the photo car and another leading the way. Usually you hear one blast then a response of two blast from another car. When they got to the strip I looked for Mickey Cohen's Haberdashery but did not see it or him.
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Oh, and here's the remastered video I was watching. I'm pretty sure we've seen it before on NLA.

I tried to embed it but it wouldn't work for some reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM5A4TamTzo

Right off the bat a jeep almost gets hit by a car. (you can hear the car horn)


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EMBEDDED:

If you start at 5:50, on the left you'll first past the Oriental Theater where Singin' in the Rain is playing,
then, as the car drives over the P.E. tracks crossing Sunset, you'll see the "Cleaners" that E_R referenced.
I like that there's a lovely tree there on the corner. I wish a Red Car had been crossing when this was filmed.

Video Link



NASS has posted a new one: 37 seconds of Los Angeles in the 1890's!
His info: South Spring Street, Los Angeles, Cal. 1898
B&W Video Source from: Thomas A. Edison
B&W Video Source from: Library of Congress, Motion Picture, Broadcasting, and Recorded Sound Division.
B&W Video Source from: https://www.loc.gov/item/00694306/

Video Link

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Old Posted Aug 18, 2022, 6:39 PM
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Here are the two gray buildings again. (as they look today)


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LOL @ the billboard on the roof! "Dating for Doumees" !

I love the Gardner Junction area on Sunset, reminding one of the P.E. Red Car route of days past. There's a lot of plans for new building going on in that area.
One whole block in one section, all the stores are vacant now.

Correction, the construction on that block has commenced!

GSV view, click: HERE
It's diagonally across from the above photo.

The restaurant at the SW corner of Gardner and Sunset, named Gardner Junction, was built as an homage to the Red Car Line and inspired the decor. There's a lovely large 4-sided clock on the corner and also open air dining spaces. Unfortunately this restaurant never caught on and closed down. A new restaurant has taken over the space and from what I have seen, has not changed the decor that much, in fact they describe themselves as: Regional American cuisine & cocktails served amid vintage decor inspired by a former train station. But the name has changed to Electric Owl.

The Google Mobile will take you down what used to be the Red Car route from Gardner to Sierra Bonita Avenue. In fact, if you start at Sierra Bonita, you can go to Gardner, cross Sunset and then follow the route as far as it goes, past Moun of Tunis etc. In fact, Start HERE! You'll proceed down what looks like an alley of sorts, it's the old P.E. route.
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In the early 1970's no lab work, just eating, drinking and folk dancing at 5201 Sunset Boulevard.



socalfolkdance.org



Detail from a 1974 Ed Ruscha picture at getty.edu

with a "sort of" classic Rover P6 in the forecourt........
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LAT Dec 16, 1933


I didn't really dig into it to see if the Sunset Blvd establishment was its descendant, but there was an earlier Gypsy Camp restaurant in the 1903 house once at 2525 Wilshire Boulevard, its site seen below replaced by a filling station. (The story of the house is here.)


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Brilliant restoration.

Much like the colorized old B&W movie craze of the 80's and 90's, I find these more "natural" to watch with the color turned off (i.e. back to B&W).

The world was B&W back then.
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^^^

I find that in color you tend to pick out more places and things you don't notice if it's all in b&w.
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I won't watch colorized black and white movies (I think it's wrong in so many ways) but the colorization works well in this instance.


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I like that there's a lovely tree there on the corner.


I liked that tree too, Martin Pal. (even though someone butchered the top of it )
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Does anyone know what kind of tree it is? (odinthor?)

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. .with a "sort of" classic Rover P6 in the forecourt.

1967 model

And you would be correct, Pescara.

Good eye!
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This is interesting.


Stufffor search purposes: Rover P6 3500....Gattaca



And, sadly, it is the car Princess Grace was driving when she had her fatal car accident.
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