Posted Oct 25, 2017, 7:12 PM
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All-American City Boy
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Hinsdale / Uptown, Chicago
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Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright
^^^ OR just moved to Transportation thread.
Anyhow, deferred maintenance, for sure, but the vast majority of them were so overbuilt to begin with that it doesn't matter. The older sections of the L have like 400% more rivets than needed because they literally didn't know how strong the metal was at the time so they took what they thought the metal could maybe bear and then just multiplied it by 2 or 3 times just to be sure.
You might hate it, but aren't you just a little impressed to walk down Wabash and see the condition that an exposed steel viaduct built about 125 years ago is still in that condition and still in use? The Loop is the Eiffel Tower of Chicago, literally. It's a engineering feat on the same scale, from the same time period, using the same materials and construction techniques. It's just as much a piece of "world heritage" as the Eiffel is. I mean really, how does one reduce one of the first mass transit systems constructed in human history to "dilapidated L tracks and rusty viaducts"???
This applies to all of the rail viaducts and other industrial relics in this city. At what point does something like the Damen Silos, the St Charles Air Line bridges, or any other of dozens upon dozens of similar landmarks go from "eyesore" or "blight" to "priceless treasure that will never happen ever again in human history"??? Seriously, there will never be another industrial revolution, there will never be more industrial development in Chicago's core, there will never be another opening of the great frontier with railroads. There are no new viaducts like this being built in Chicago or any other cities, there are no new rusting hulks of a truss bridge going up, no one is constructing a new grain silo downtown or new multifloor warehouses. Once this stuff is gone it doesn't come back. The fact that many of these landmarks in Chicago are still in use is actually astounding and should be celebrated. The fact that the train lines by my building are still constantly the "freight handler to the nation" is not some blight, it's amazing and should be cherished. If you think the noise of trains rolling through the city is a detriment to people's quality of life, great (hint: it really isn't, not a single one of you have indicated how this actually harms anyone besides being a minor annoyance if you happen to be on the phone while a train rolls by), but you also have to show that all the history I name above has no preservation value, that Chicago's history does not add to the character of the place, add a totally intangible benefit of grit and grind. Aesthetics are important and old school industrial is the hottest style right now, I suspect that it will stay in style for a long time. Industrial is our heritage just as second empire is Paris' or Victorian is London's. Deal with it because it isn't going anywhere.
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I know you're largely responding to the person above your post, but I want to clarify that I don't hate viaducts, and I'm sure everyone on here has a healthy respect for the el and Chicago's history with trains. Some of us simply feel that as the city continues to grow and prosper, the land that the train lines use all over this city could have more productive use if the train lines were put underground.
Diesel trains
I do find it interesting you intentionally avoid the argument that people would rather live next to a park, or a building, or almost any other zoning in a city other than rail lines.
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