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Old Posted Nov 22, 2022, 4:44 PM
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New York without a doubt was much more wild in the late 80's/ early 90's than it is now. The club/ rave scene was insane. Ditto for London. No coincidence that these cities are well known for electronic/ house music.
Outside of NYC, the only other place in the U.S. that I've ever had a Berlin-like experience is Detroit during the weekend of Movement (the electronic music festival).
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2022, 4:51 PM
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Boston's nightlife scene is definitely lackluster, I will say. Maybe some lasting Puritan influence or something, but there is definitely an early to bed culture there. This isn't nightlife related, per se, but happy hours aren't allowed in Massachusetts! Bars/clubs close at 2:00 AM, and there isn't a huge after hours culture. I think of Boston as being more of a pub and tavern place than a big club city. There's also a big sports culture there. I'd say it is fairly 'normie'. The gays at least have Provincetown nearby for the summer.

San Francisco is also a pretty quiet nightlife city, I think. It can be hard to find restaurants open past 9 in much of that city. There are/were some cool clubs in the warehouse area around SOMA, but I think that scene has really diminished in recent years. Obviously a robust gay bar scene though, centered around the Castro. Also say what you will about Burning Man, but I think it has had a positive impact on the Bay Area's nightlife/creative scene.

I do not agree that LA is similarly early to bed or health obsessed to the point of not having good nightlife. There is a huge club scene in Hollywood, really bustling gay nightlife district in WeHo, and so many parties and raves in warehouses and industrial areas...you just have to know where to look to find those. Head and shoulders above the options in SF or Boston. And yes, people will wake up after a night of clubbing, drink a green juice and go hike/post an instagram from Runyon Canyon

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Old Posted Nov 22, 2022, 4:52 PM
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Ah, the late 80s! That's when I started going clubbing, when I was 18, back in 1988. I couldn't buy liquor yet, but it was still fun. There was the "underground" club scene in LA, and then of course there were the hardcore gay clubs... before straight people started "invading" WeHo and the crowds started getting annoying; I find it no coincidence that fights started breaking out at gay clubs when straight couples started going to them.

I remember seeing Kristy McNichol at a gay club and my friend saying very sarcastically "Wait, Kristy McNichol is a lesbian??" And then of course we started laughing. There was also a soap opera actor we saw at the same club, I forgot his name...
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2022, 4:53 PM
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Outside of NYC, the only other place in the U.S. that I've ever had a Berlin-like experience is Detroit during the weekend of Movement (the electronic music festival).
I thought about Detroit on my first post. If Detroit keeps rebounding, maybe they could become some sort of "American Berlin". I know it's hard to compare because Detroit's trajectory is very peculiar, but they certainly looks way less conventional than Boston.

I'm curious about Chicago: they look conventional too (not as much as Boston), but they are an almost 10 million metro area. I guess they might have some alternative scene, even if it's small.


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I do not agree that LA is similarly early to bed or health obsessed to the point of not having good nightlife. There is a huge club scene in Hollywood, really bustling gay nightlife district in WeHo, and so many parties and raves in warehouses and industrial areas...you just have to know where to look to find those. Head and shoulders above the options in SF or Boston. And yes, people will wake up after a night of clubbing, drink a green juice and go hike/post an instagram from Runyon Canyon
I have this weird fantasy of being invited to a crazy party in a mansion overlooking the city (like Miley Cyrus' We Can't Stop clip) or in a rough urban area (like Britney Spears' Till the World Ends).
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I just want to point out that Massachusetts was the first US state to legalize gay marriage, and the first Northeast state to legalize and begin selling marijuana. Boston also has a direct ferry route to what's likely the gayest town in the country, Provincetown.

I always found the nightlife too expensive and it's been about a dozen years since I last participated in that. There are an absolute ton of different bars and some clubs, it's just that they're spread out over many areas instead of just totally focused on one.

The "funkiest" areas are probably in Cambridge and Somerville, such as Central Square and Davis Square respectively.
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I do not agree that LA is similarly early to bed or health obsessed to the point of not having good nightlife. There is a huge club scene in Hollywood, really bustling gay nightlife district in WeHo, and so many parties and raves in warehouses and industrial areas...you just have to know where to look to find those. Head and shoulders above the options in SF or Boston. And yes, people will wake up after a night of clubbing, drink a green juice and go hike/post an instagram from Runyon Canyon
Does everything in L.A. still close at 2am? I think only NYC, Chicago (weekends?), Miami, New Orleans, Vegas, and Detroit (Memorial Day weekend) have closing times later than 2am.
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Albany's last call is also at 4AM, same as NYC.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2022, 5:15 PM
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I thought about Detroit on my first post. If Detroit keeps rebounding, maybe they could become some sort of "American Berlin". I know it's hard to compare because Detroit's trajectory is very peculiar, but they certainly looks way less conventional than Boston.
That would be up to the state of Michigan to allow that for Detroit. Now that the state government is controlled by the Democrats, for the first time in 40 years, there will probably be a lot more Detroit friendly policy than there had been, so we'll see.

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I'm curious about Chicago: they look conventional too (not as much as Boston), but they are an almost 10 million metro area. I guess they might have some alternative scene, even if it's small.
I would put Chicago's nightlife scene at the same tier as L.A.'s, if not a little above it.
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I'm curious about Chicago: they look conventional too (not as much as Boston), but they are an almost 10 million metro area. I guess they might have some alternative scene, even if it's small.
Chicago does have a nightlife scene, but it’s more of a holiday and festival town when it comes to entertainment for visitors.

For half the year, the average Chicagoan probably wants to party outside at a music fest or neighborhood street fair than go to the club. Just my impression.

Mexican Independence Day is a good example of neighborhood nightlife that’s migrated downtown.

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Chicago (weekends?)
No, not just on weekends.

Chicago has a two-tier liquor license system.

Most bars have a 2:00am license, but there's a subset of late-night bars/clubs that can serve til 4:00am.

And on Saturday nights, all bars can opt for a "bonus hour" if they want to, so 2:00am bars can serve til 3:00am, and 4:00am bars can serve until 5:00am.
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NJ has some places that close at 2 am and 4 am. Elizabeth NJ as an example, some clubs close at 4 am. Than... after 4 am, the after party with a few woman at someone's house. Location TBD.
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This is great, I've always wanted to leave NY for SF and now I have the ammunition to show the wife!

It's the weather for me, too damn sticky hot here in the summer and I've always maintained SF has my favorite climate, until I read the fog is slowly disappearing as the climate changes - maybe that's why rent went down

Even Zurich is becoming uncomfortable in the summer, we had to smuggle in a portable A/C last year, the gov't is very strict about giving A/C permits, you have to prove you're on death's door. I'm convinced the Council just needs to see me schvitz one time and we've got it!

But I digress, back to the nightlife...
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2022, 6:57 PM
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Does everything in L.A. still close at 2am? I think only NYC, Chicago (weekends?), Miami, New Orleans, Vegas, and Detroit (Memorial Day weekend) have closing times later than 2am.
There have been proposals to extend last call in LA, but I don't think they've gone anywhere. There are a ton of after hours places, though. And obviously house parties are a big deal in LA, with people renting homes in the hills just to throw lavish parties. Don't see much of that in other cities where SFHs are more rare.
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No, not just on weekends.

Chicago has a two-tier liquor license system.

Most bars have a 2:00am license, but there's a subset of late-night bars/clubs that can serve til 4:00am.

And on Saturday nights, all bars can opt for a "bonus hour" if they want to, so 2:00am bars can serve til 3:00am, and 4:00am bars can serve until 5:00am.
It's so weird this "last call" thing. It's a concept completely foreign to us. Here in Brazil nightclubs will go till 7:00 a.m., or whenever they want. For bars no limits either, but of course, they need acoustic treatment.
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It's so weird this "last call" thing. It's a concept completely foreign to us.
well, it's a completely familiar concept to us americans.

the VAST majority of the nation is governed by state and/or local laws that govern the time when the sale of alcohol must be cut-off.

there are of course some excpetions like party towns such as vegas & new orleans with 24 hour liquor, and there are also a plenty of casinos around the nation that have special local exemptions for round the clock alcohol service as well (casinos are typically huge cash cows for tax revenue, so local government authorities often bend over backwards for them), but generally speaking, "last call" is a definitely a thing in most of the US.


the list linked to below is 5 years old now, so some of the info might be out of date, but it gives a good run down of "last call" laws in all 50 states, along with highlighting cities that might have more liberal exceptions.

https://www.thrillist.com/culture/wh...ll-every-state
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well, it's a completely familiar concept to us americans.

the VAST majority of the nation is governed by state and/or local laws that govern the time when the sale of alcohol must be cut-off.

there are of course some excpetions like party towns such as vegas & new orleans with 24 hour liquor, and there are also a plenty of casinos around the nation that have special local exemptions for round the clock alcohol service as well (casinos are typically huge cash cows for tax revenue, so local government authorities often bend over backwards for them), but generally speaking, "last call" is a definitely a thing in most of the US.


the list linked to below is 5 years old now, so some of the info might be out of date, but it gives a good run down of "last call" laws in all 50 states, along with highlighting cities that might have more liberal exceptions.

https://www.thrillist.com/culture/wh...ll-every-state
In Brazil it would be unimaginable to establish a time to consume alcohol. That would strike as absurd as the government controling the amount food one could eat. It's seen as an absolutely personal decision. And the average person will be completely surprised to learn that's not the rule everywhere in the world.

The US is so strict with alcohol but so liberal regarding guns, for instance. It's interesting how the concept of personal freedom changes from country to country and even from person to person.
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In Brazil it would be unimaginable to establish a time to consume alcohol. That would strike as absurd as the government controling the amount food one could eat. It's seen as an absolutely personal decision. And the average person will be completely surprised to learn that's not the rule everywhere in the world.

The US is so strict with alcohol but so liberal regarding guns, for instance. It's interesting how the concept of personal freedom changes from country to country and even from person to person.
It's not that the US regulates when a person can consume alcohol; it only regulates when it can be bought and sold. In California, alcohol sales are prohibited past 2am but can be bought/sold again at 6am.
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In Brazil it would be unimaginable to establish a time to consume alcohol. That would strike as absurd as the government controling the amount food one could eat. It's seen as an absolutely personal decision. And the average person will be completely surprised to learn that's not the rule everywhere in the world.

The US is so strict with alcohol but so liberal regarding guns, for instance. It's interesting how the concept of personal freedom changes from country to country and even from person to person.
This is such a comically inaccurate post - No local government enforces when anyone can consume alcohol.
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Not even LA, which is an early-to-bed, fitness/health-obsessed city.
The claim that there is no nightlife in Los Angeles because everyone goes to bed early is not obviously true. Why do you believe that?
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The claim that there is no nightlife in Los Angeles because everyone goes to bed early is not obviously true. Why do you believe that?
I didn't make that claim. I claimed that LA doesn't have Sao Paul-level nightlife, and I think it's, in part, bc LA (and the West Coast in general) is way more health/fitness/outdoors oriented than other parts of the world. Clubbing till dawn doesn't go well with hiking at dawn, or industries where your appearance matters.
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