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Old Posted Sep 22, 2021, 8:48 PM
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^^^ In my experience brick is rarely painted to cover up damage. In fact, it's difficult to keep paint on spalling brick or efflorescence. If it were significantly damaged the paint would be schlefing off all over the place.

The brick will eventually be destroyed by the paint, it needs to go. Paint locks water in the masonry which is what causes the kinds of degredation we are talking about to begin with.

Also there is nothing wrong with using a power washer on brick, you just need to use the lowest pressure setting and a wide tip. In fact, Ive found that the best way to do it is to apply chemical stripper (gotta make sure to use a non etching/acidic kind which is usually where people go wrong) and then hitting it with the sprayer to knock the stripped paint off.

It's never great to have to roughhouse masonry, but you gotta keep the paint off of it. It's the worst thing to do to brick.

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345 N Morgan is only 200,000 sqft, so that's half the building. I believe Sterling built this 'on spec' from something I read once they lost the Google commitment last year. So now it's 50% occupied in one go.
This is something I had mentioned years ago, once you have a giant company with many vendors like McDonald's move somewhere, their suppliers are virtually guranteed to follow.
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2021, 10:43 PM
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2021, 12:28 PM
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between this, Salesforce, and others, seems like developers are constantly leaving sq ft on the table... wish they'd build taller
They decided to break ground with 0% under contract I believe so I think this was less of a 'build it taller' issue than 'should we build it at all' and they took the risk and chose the latter. I maintain that Salesforce's height is more of a product of physical constraints than financial ones but that's been talked to death on that forum already.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2021, 12:46 PM
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between this, Salesforce, and others, seems like developers are constantly leaving sq ft on the table... wish they'd build taller
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2021, 1:34 PM
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between this, Salesforce, and others, seems like developers are constantly leaving sq ft on the table... wish they'd build taller
The Salesforce Tower horse is already emulsified and on the way to the glue factory, so I won't even go there.

But for stuff like this you guys need to understand that's just not how office development works. People don't go out into the periphery of the CBD and slap up 500'-700' office towers. Just look at all the Fairfield econo boxes that had to go up around Union Station before demand calcified to the point where new 700' class towers could stray west of the river.


The same will be true with the West Loop. There's no reason to build giant 1 millions SF 700' towers when you can still get full block development sites. Eventually the easy pickings will be mopped up and you will see the big boys start showing up, but proposals like that West of the Kennedy are still 5-10 years away at a minimum.

And that's OK. This city has so much vacant land it's literally killing us (see every poor neighborhood that's a permenant poverty trap due to disinvestment). Let's fill every lot between Ashland and Halsted with 12-30 floor buildings and then start complaining about trivial things like height...
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808 Cleveland is supposedly starting next month.
https://urbanize.city/chicago/post/a...-808-cleveland

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They decided to break ground with 0% under contract I believe so I think this was less of a 'build it taller' issue than 'should we build it at all' and they took the risk and chose the latter. I maintain that Salesforce's height is more of a product of physical constraints than financial ones but that's been talked to death on that forum already.
No. Salesforce leased their space in late 2018 I believe, so long before construction began.
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808 Cleveland is supposedly starting next month.
https://urbanize.city/chicago/post/a...-808-cleveland

Definitely didn't require the visual reminder.

(Yeah, sore subject!)


This beige.....how does a licensed, employed design architect even come up with something like this?
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^ That podium makes shit look like a cherry sundae

Seriously, 1999 called and........naw, it's SO BAD that even 1999 doesn't want that design back
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Definitely didn't require the visual reminder.

(Yeah, sore subject!)


This beige.....how does a licensed, employed design architect even come up with something like this?
Someone should ask first on what the developer is like. You can blame architects all you want, but sometimes this rests on shitty developers demanding bad designs. And architects going along with it.
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No. Salesforce leased their space in late 2018 I believe, so long before construction began.
Regarding the leasing I was referring to 345 N Morgan.
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Eh, I don't think the architecture standard should be lower just because a project is in a developing or low income area. And it should never be this low - that thing is atrocious.
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Eh, I don't think the architecture standard should be lower just because a project is in a developing or low income area. And it should never be this low - that thing is atrocious.
Agreed. This thing kind of looks like a mid 90's Holiday Inn. And trust me, that's no compliment.

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Eh, I don't think the architecture standard should be lower just because a project is in a developing or low income area. And it should never be this low - that thing is atrocious.
Are you going to pay for the better design and more expensive materials?
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^ or own the risk...of course not!

Rents will be lower until the area fully changes, this impacts the pro forma and design/ build budgets.

Better design standards just dont mean much - unless it's a rezone..but not saying they are meaningless,
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Are you going to pay for the better design and more expensive materials?
^ Ok boomer
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^ Ok boomer
lol TUP, are you calling yourself out?
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^ or own the risk...of course not!

Rents will be lower until the area fully changes, this impacts the pro forma and design/ build budgets.

Better design standards just dont mean much - unless it's a rezone..but not saying they are meaningless,
Across the street at The Hudson rent prices are market rate for any high income neighborhood in Chicago..
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lol TUP, are you calling yourself out?
Lol, no I’m just doing a favor to the circulating knuckleheads who have that or similar one line answers to everything that challenges them
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