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Well, it has the exact zoning (and size) as Vanderbilt. Make of that what you will.
Vanderbilt has a relatively low amount of square footage. It just has very high ceilings and a lot of vanity height.

I hope this one does too. Otherwise I'd expect a 3-350 meter building.
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Vanderbilt has a relatively low amount of square footage. It just has very high ceilings and a lot of vanity height.

I hope this one does too. Otherwise I'd expect a 3-350 meter building.

Vanderbilt is also all office. A mixed use tower here (office/hotel/residential) could have different implications.
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Looks like this will undergo the route of 175 Park, a temporary re-opening until redevelopment….



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Addressing a press conference at Allama Iqbal International Airport here, Saad said that Roosevelt Hotel in New York was also not being sold and added that people should refrain from spreading such rumors.

In response to a question, he said that recommendations were being sent to federal cabinet so that certain part of Roosevelt Hotel could be reopened. He said if it would be delayed the case of this country’s expensive property would go to landmark commission.

Khawaja Saad Rafique said in future under a joint venture a high-rise building would be constructed and the country would fully benefit from it.

As per initial proposal, work on its 300 to 400 rooms would be started, he added.
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This might not be a popular opinion for a few reasons whether you don't think the Roosevelt needs saving or whether or not you think facade preservation is historic preservation BUT there may be an opportunity here and I dont think its impractical. The Roosevelt is an original Terminal City structure and is gracious, charming and screams classic New York even if one could agree it's not a significant or particularly important piece of architecture. I propose the perimeter full block facade be "facadectomized" and a new supertall tower built roughly 20-30 feet back from the lot line wall. The hotel is interesting in the fact it has wings and that could make for an exceptionally cool three-dimensional juxtaposition between old and new. Yes the interior would be toast. There would be a brand new tower on that city block but wrapped with the textural warmth of the original building, fully restored, at street level and the first 17 floors.
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If it were strictly hotel/residential, floor size wouldn’t be as much of an issue. But there are other issues, such as sidewalk widenings and the public plaza that couldn’t be worked around the existing building.
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A tower inset from the streetwall by 20 feet would still have attractive and viable floorplates for office. If there's a will there's a way. If they pursued a supersized Hearst Tower approach I have little doubt the city would help them as much as possible.
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Another possibility is the central low rise portion facing Vanderbilt could become the main tower lobby orientation and in conjunction with a future pedestrianized Vanderbilt could satisfy the plaza requirements. Pursuing a mixed use project of a much smaller hotel on the lower floors and tower above could also be an interesting concept.
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i wouldn’t mind seeing a facadectomy here, but i think the windows would be problematic for the new development, be it office or residential on the lower levels. and if you mess with things like that like say to make something bigger or more open, then why even bother?
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^ Keeping a hotel along the outside perimeter would solve any insuitability of window size for commercial tenants.
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[QUOTE=NYguy;9757411]Looks like this will undergo the route of 175 Park, a temporary re-opening until redevelopment….


Gotta say.. happy to hear... for now.. the Roosevelt Hotel LIVES!!
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^ Eh, I'd rather have a skyscraper (despite how cool their lobby is). It sounds like it'll probably get town down eventually so may as well get it over with.

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Looks like this will undergo the route of 175 Park, a temporary re-opening until redevelopment…
I wonder how long that will last... if demo and construction get started this decade and it ends up as more than just a "high-rise" as the article states, I'll be happy.

I guess whoever tears it down in the end will end up building something pretty tall, otherwise it wouldn't be worth destroying and existing building.
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A tower inset from the streetwall by 20 feet would still have attractive and viable floorplates for office. If there's a will there's a way. If they pursued a supersized Hearst Tower approach I have little doubt the city would help them as much as possible.
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Another possibility is the central low rise portion facing Vanderbilt could become the main tower lobby orientation and in conjunction with a future pedestrianized Vanderbilt could satisfy the plaza requirements. Pursuing a mixed use project of a much smaller hotel on the lower floors and tower above could also be an interesting concept.
Sadly, the steet plaza won’t be happening. That was studied during the earlier Vanderbilt approval process. They could go the route of 270. But there goes tour facade, which frankly isn’t worth the trouble of trying to sabe. You either keep the building, or you don’t.




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Looks like this will undergo the route of 175 Park, a temporary re-opening until redevelopment….

Gotta say.. happy to hear... for now.. the Roosevelt Hotel LIVES!!
It’s at least on life support. They’re only planning to re-open roughly 30% of it. Just enough to say it’s “open”, avoiding whatever penalties they may have to pay, while getting redevelopment plans in order.
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