Canada's 2022 Metro Area Population (CMA) estimates

[someone123]

Originally Posted by Crawford

What's going on in Moncton? Very robust growth for a pretty under-the-radar town.

Very easy to develop and stacks up well against other similar Canadian cities that now have much higher real estate costs. Also decent economy and remote work, and higher provincially sponsored immigration program caps.

It is hard to objectively prove with statistics but the Maritimes have or had a strongly negative reputation in Canada, sort of like the South in the US, that was quite out of sync with the realities of life there. It was ready to be "discovered".

As an example a lot of people will say that Moncton is super cold, remote, and poor compared to Ontario. We can debate what counts as cold, poor, or remote (all/most of Canada by some standards?), but it has roughly the same climate as Peterborough ON, there's little variation in income statistics in Canada (the few "rich" cities like Calgary or Ottawa are 20-30% higher while the cities people think of as poor are often just tied with Toronto or Vancouver for median census family income), and you can drive from Moncton to Boston in just under 8 hrs if you want, or fly to major cities in 1 hour, so it is not comparable to remote parts of even southern Canada. And the natural scenery, social life, and heritage in the region are above average in Canada.

[lio45]

It’s also the well-located logistics hub for a region of 2 million.

[Docere]

Haldimand-Norfolk is considered a Census Division by Statscan.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by lio45

It’s also the well-located logistics hub for a region of 2 million.

It is more like "a" hub rather than "the" hub. Unlikely that there's more warehouse space in Moncton than Halifax and Moncton does not have a port or the largest airport. Amazon built their warehouse in Halifax as one example; maybe Moncton will get one eventually but I don't think they have one yet. I think the "hub of other parts of the region" increase in activity in Moncton probably can't account for a large part of the growth of the last year.

You could point out that Moncton is in a place that rail and highway traffic passes through but so is Nipigon, ON (hub of Canada?). And the topology of the highway network in the Maritimes isn't quite a hub-and-spoke system around Moncton. You've got a branch to PEI out of Aulac, the northern NS and NL TCH part goes out of Truro, and then there's another "hub" around Halifax (101, 102, 103, 107). Then a part of northern NB is roughly equidistant between Moncton and Quebec City and might just get stuff from Montreal directly.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Wigs

Winnipeg might be the first city to lose an NHL team and get it back!

QC, Hartford deserve their teams back! Nordiques and Whalers, let's f*****g go!

I'd also put one in Halifax for the entire NS/NB/PEI maritimes region.
And Hamilton could use one too (but Toronto and Buffalo would never let it happen)

woot woot!!!

I'd love to see more teams in traditional hockey bastions than in the former Confederacy or American Southwest, where they are at best, way down in local importance (5th or 6th, after Football, Baseball, Basketball, College Football, College Basketball, etc.).

But Gary Buttman doesn't want that.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by someone123

It is more like "a" hub rather than "the" hub. Unlikely that there's more warehouse space in Moncton than Halifax and Moncton does not have a port or the largest airport. Amazon built their warehouse in Halifax as one example; maybe Moncton will get one eventually but I don't think they have one yet. I think the "hub of other parts of the region" increase in activity in Moncton probably can't account for a large part of the growth of the last year.

You could point out that Moncton is in a place that rail and highway traffic passes through but so is Nipigon, ON (hub of Canada?). And the topology of the highway network in the Maritimes isn't quite a hub-and-spoke system around Moncton. You've got a branch to PEI out of Aulac, the northern NS and NL TCH part goes out of Truro, and then there's another "hub" around Halifax (101, 102, 103, 107). Then a part of northern NB is roughly equidistant between Moncton and Quebec City and might just get stuff from Montreal directly.

All of NW New Brunswick around Edmundston is about 100 km closer to Quebec City than it is to Moncton.

[Docere]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

The Oshawa CMA is fully, 100% a part of the Toronto commuter belt now, but Hamilton is still more on the line. Burlington definitely fits the GTA pattern, Hamilton is a little bit more removed. Overall it would probably still meet the requirement though.

Haldimand-Norfolk are actually two seperate counties. I doubt Norfolk would qualify.

If Haldimand and Norfolk are separated, Haldimand has 31% commuting into Hamilton alone so it would be an outlying county in the Toronto-Hamilton MSA I think.

Norfolk is out.

[Docere]

Toronto-Mississauga-Hamilton "MSA"

Central counties (census divisions)

Durham 696,992
Halton 596,637
Hamilton 569,353
Peel 1,451,022
Toronto 2,794,355
York 1,170,334

Outlying counties

Dufferin 66,225
Haldimand 49,216
Kawartha Lakes 79,247

Total 7,473,381


Toronto-Hamilton "CSA":

Niagara 477,941 (St. Catharines-Niagara Falls "MSA")
Northumberland County 89,365 (Cobourg-Port Hope Micropolitan Area)
Simcoe County 533,169 (Barrie "MSA")

Total 8,573,856

[someone123]

Originally Posted by Wigs

I'd also put one in Halifax for the entire NS/NB/PEI maritimes region.

NHL is one of those things that I think people believe is farther away than it is in the Maritimes, but is still a fairly low probability. Maybe 20% chance in the next 10-15 years? And a lot of people would say it is 1% or 0%. And people with the same kind of perspective likely said 0% for Winnipeg at some point.

It is heresy territory but for a regional thing like that there isn't a big gap between Winnipeg vs. Quebec City vs. Halifax. And sometimes the smaller regions can support more than people think because there is less competition for dollars. As far as the arena goes the old one is getting pretty old and it probably wouldn't take too much political push to make the new one NHL ready. Winnipeg's early 2000's arena is only 50% larger than Halifax's 70's arena. An NHL-sized one could probably fit on the footprint of the old arena and adjacent obsolete former convention centre.

If the CFL remains relevant it will eventually be sort of a no-brainer, very easy thing in Halifax as building a 20-30k stadium and filling it will become easier and easier. And it's a more substantial expansion for the CFL than the NHL.

[Blitz]

If we're talking about Halifax with a potential team then one could argue that even London could support one since the Knights have been selling out every single game for years (9000+ seats). The Halifax junior team has lower attendance but that could be affected by the older arena. Halifax has a geographic advantage though since London would eat into the Toronto/Detroit fanbases.

[Nite]

From the Canadian forum:

Here is the list of all CMAs/CAs with a population of greater than 100,000 as of July 1st, 2022:

1) Toronto - 6,685,621
2) Montreal - 4,378,796
3) Vancouver - 2,842,730

4) Calgary - 1,608,342
5) Edmonton - 1,516,719
6) Ottawa/Gatineau - 1,498,610

7) Winnipeg - 871,778
8) Quebec City - 848,776
9) Hamilton - 821,839

10) Kitchener/Waterloo - 622,497
11) London - 574,238
12) Halifax - 480,582
13) St. Catherines - 450,501
14) Oshawa - 447,079
15) Victoria - 423,136

16) Windsor - 359,672
17) Saskatoon - 347,536
18) Regina - 268,804
19) Kelowna - 235,473
20) Sherbrooke - 231,055
21) Barrie - 228,979
22) St. John's - 219,119
23) Abbotsford - 208,961

24) Kingston - 180,070
25) Sudbury - 175,357
26) Guelph - 172,400
27) Moncton - 171,608
28) Trois Rivières - 167,732
29) Saguenay - 165,185
30) Brantford - 158,391

31) Saint John - 135,622
32) Peterborough - 135,005
33) Lethbridge - 133,064
34) Thunder Bay - 125,334
35) Chilliwack - 121,163
36) Nanaimo - 120,165
37) Kamloops - 119,408
38) Fredericton - 116,159
39) Belleville - 116,013
40) Chatham/Kent - 109,051
41) Red Deer - 107,073
42) Drummondville - 104,076
43) Sarnia - 102,216


Here is the list of all CMAs/CAs with a population of greater than 100,000 organized regionally:

Atlantic:

12) Halifax - 480,582
22) St. John's - 219,119
27) Moncton - 171,608
31) Saint John - 135,622
38) Fredericton - 116,159

Quebec:

2) Montreal - 4,378,796
8) Quebec City - 848,776
20) Sherbrooke - 231,055
28) Trois Rivières - 167,732
29) Saguenay - 165,185
42) Drummondville - 104,076

Ontario:

1) Toronto - 6,685,621
6) Ottawa/Gatineau - 1,498,610
9) Hamilton - 821,839
10) Kitchener/Waterloo - 622,497
11) London - 574,238
13) St. Catherines - 450,501
14) Oshawa - 447,079
16) Windsor - 359,672
21) Barrie - 228,979
24) Kingston - 180,070
25) Sudbury - 175,357
26) Guelph - 172,400
30) Brantford - 158,391
32) Peterborough - 135,005
34) Thunder Bay - 125,334
39) Belleville - 116,013
40) Chatham/Kent - 109,051
43) Sarnia - 102,216

Prairies:

4) Calgary - 1,608,342
5) Edmonton - 1,516,719
7) Winnipeg - 871,778
17) Saskatoon - 347,536
18) Regina - 268,804
33) Lethbridge - 133,064
41) Red Deer - 107,073

British Columbia:

3) Vancouver - 2,842,730
15) Victoria - 423,136
19) Kelowna - 235,473
23) Abbotsford - 208,961
35) Chilliwack - 121,163
36) Nanaimo - 120,165
37) Kamloops - 119,048[/QUOTE]

[Nite]

[Nite]

By % increase


Moncton (CMA), New Brunswick
5.39

Halifax (CMA), Nova Scotia
4.50

Kitchener - Cambridge - Waterloo (CMA), Ontario
3.78

Calgary (CMA), Alberta
3.19

Barrie (CMA), Ontario
3.17

London (CMA), Ontario
3.02

Oshawa (CMA), Ontario
2.85

Kelowna (CMA), British Columbia
2.83

Vancouver (CMA), British Columbia
2.81

Edmonton (CMA), Alberta
2.47

Windsor (CMA), Ontario
2.41

Brantford (CMA), Ontario
2.33

Lethbridge (CMA), Alberta
2.29

St. John's (CMA), Newfoundland and Labrador
2.26

Saskatoon (CMA), Saskatchewan
2.26

Victoria (CMA), British Columbia
2.24

Saint John (CMA), New Brunswick
2.16

Toronto (CMA), Ontario
2.11

St. Catharines - Niagara (CMA), Ontario
2.05

Peterborough (CMA), Ontario
2.00

Kingston (CMA), Ontario
1.89

Belleville (CMA), Ontario
1.88

Guelph (CMA), Ontario
1.79

Regina (CMA), Saskatchewan
1.68

Ottawa - Gatineau (CMA), Ontario/Quebec
1.66

Trois-Rivières (CMA), Quebec
1.63

Sherbrooke (CMA), Quebec
1.59

Abbotsford - Mission (CMA), British Columbia
1.52

Winnipeg (CMA), Manitoba
1.51

Greater Sudbury (CMA), Ontario
1.46

Québec (CMA), Quebec
1.45

Hamilton (CMA), Ontario
1.29

Saguenay (CMA), Quebec
0.95

Montréal (CMA), Quebec
0.88

Thunder Bay (CMA), Ontario
0.21

[softee]

It's worth noting that Toronto city proper passed the 3 million mark with these latest estimates! It clocked in at 3,025,647.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1710014201

[Gresto]

Originally Posted by softee

It's worth noting that Toronto city proper passed the 3 million mark with these latest estimates! It clocked in at 3,025,647.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=1710014201

They'll have to change the signs again.

[Quixote]

Do people in Kitchener, Guelph, Brantford, and St. Catharines get Toronto news/sports?

Commuting statistics aside, I don’t see how St. Catharines, Guelph, and Kitchener aren’t metropolitan Toronto when independent entities like Stockton, Modesto, and Merced belong the to Bay Area and Providence, Worcester, and Manchester Greater Boston.

London is definitely its own entity though.

[someone123]

Originally Posted by Quixote

Do people in Kitchener, Guelph, Brantford, and St. Catharines get Toronto news/sports?

Commuting statistics aside, I don’t see how St. Catharines, Guelph, and Kitchener aren’t metropolitan Toronto when independent entities like Stockton, Modesto, and Merced belong the to Bay Area and Providence, Worcester, and Manchester Greater Boston.

All of Canada gets Toronto news and sports.

The Statistics Canada methodology for creating metros is different from in the US and the metro areas aren't directly comparable to US metro areas.

[softee]

Originally Posted by Quixote

Do people in Kitchener, Guelph, Brantford, and St. Catharines get Toronto news/sports?

Yes, they are all included within the Toronto media market.

[Metro-One]

Can’t believe the Lower Mainland is now 3,172,000 people. I clearly remember on the news when they announced the Lower Mainland surpassed 2 million, and that doesn’t feel that long ago…

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by Quixote

Do people in Kitchener, Guelph, Brantford, and St. Catharines get Toronto news/sports?
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No, in St. Catharines-Niagara we exclusively get news from NNN Niagara News Network

Yes Toronto centric media is overbearing sometimes. Thank goodness for more local coverage from CH TV station out of Hamilton.