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It's alright, could've been better.
I bet that in reality, the trees will be far less conspicuous and as a result the building will look more normal. The trees are highlighted in the renderings just because they are the most unique aspect of this project.
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A tower that size, I would give it 3-4 years from start of construction.
Do they need to secure a tenant to start? Or will it be spec? To me, spec seems risky given the size and area it's in, even though its next to Penn Station.
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Do they need to secure a tenant to start? Or will it be spec? To me, spec seems risky given the size and area it's in, even though its next to Penn Station.
I’m pretty sure that Amazon is the anchor tenant. They’re heavily invested in the area, and Bezos even has an enormous apartment nearby. The Lord & Taylor building isn’t sufficient for them.
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An aerial look at Penn 15 towering alongside the ESB:

Photo by John Seb Barber (CC BY 2.0)
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Where is the 1,200 ft number coming from for this tower?
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Where is the 1,200 ft number coming from for this tower?
This most recent graphic from the Vornado website shows a pinnacle height of 1200ft:

It seems that a couple of levels were cut, with their FAR shifted to larger floorplates for the lower floors.
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^ The design is always in a state of flux, and will probably remain so until a tenant is signed on.


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Do they need to secure a tenant to start? Or will it be spec? To me, spec seems risky given the size and area it's in, even though its next to Penn Station.

Being next to Penn Station is what makes it less risky. That's one of the main reasons the buildings around Grand Central do so well. Penn Station should have been developed just as densely, with similar transit connections from towers directly into the station. That's what they are doing now. Vornado hasn't spoken about what the moves are, but they have said that once Penn 1&2 are complete, they will move forward with this one.



A little info on that design, which may or may not be what gets built...











These are the Vornado controlled sites, and site 4 has been moved up to the first phase of development along with site 7 (15 Penn).








They would control basically half of the developments, and none directly above the expansion, but you would think it was all Vornado reading some of the crap that comes out.



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As we all know, Penn 15 ( site 7), is projected to be less than 1,300 ft. It could be higher, of course.

But this guy takes “fantasy as fact” to another level. Just another scare tactic these people use to draw up opposition.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/n...owers.amp.html

Towering Over Midtown: The Penn Station Super-Talls
The proposed project would include buildings in the West 30s that would be among the tallest worldwide, with one tower that could surpass One World Trade.



By Matthew Haag
August 30, 2022



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Gov. Kathy Hochul is betting on a legacy-defining project that would transform Midtown Manhattan with 10 new towers surrounding Penn Station, the busiest transit hub in North America and possibly the most roundly disliked. The project will take about two decades to complete, with the last building opening in 2044, the state said.

There is a lot we still don’t know about the development, including the buildings’ exact dimensions, but New York State says they will not have a height limit except on one site. Fortunately, the state has published a few renderings of the site, with the towers drawn to scale to how they could be built, so we can extrapolate possible heights.
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Eight of the 10 towers would rise more than 1,000 feet, all of them located east of Eighth Avenue. Two buildings that would be on the west side of Eighth Avenue, just south of the new Moynihan Trail Hall, would be far shorter, between 400 and 875 feet tall. Those two buildings would house most of the residential units included in the project.

The other eight buildings would be huge, even by Manhattan standards, and would rank among the tallest not just in the city but in all of the United States. By my calculation (using Photoshop’s handy Ruler Tool), the tallest would be Site 7, stretching skyward about 1,900 feet, at Seventh Avenue between West 32nd and West 33rd Streets. That would be taller than One World Trade, currently the tallest building in the city, at 1,776 feet, a nod to the year when the Declaration of Independence was signed.
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Site 7 would be almost entirely offices, and the property is owned by Vornado Realty Trust, a publicly traded company that owns another four properties that would be redeveloped. If it reaches 1,900 feet, Site 7 would be the fifth-tallest in the world and the tallest outside Asia and the Middle East, according to the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat.

Two other huge buildings would be built just south of Penn Station, on West 31st Street between Seventh and Eighth Avenues. The farthest east building on that block, known as Site 2B, could reach 1,725 feet tall. That building would also have nearly 2.9 million square feet of space, nearly all of it dedicated to offices, making it bigger than the nearby Empire State Building.
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What are the tallest buildings in New York City? Here are the city’s five tallest towers in the office and residential categories, according to the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat.

Office

1. One World Trade, 1,776 feet. (Sixth-tallest overall in the world.)

2. One Vanderbilt, 1,400 feet

3. 30 Hudson Yards, 1,270 feet.

4. Empire State Building, 1,250 feet.

5. Bank of America Tower, 1,200 feet.

Residential

1. Central Park Tower, 1,550 feet. (Sixth-tallest residential building in the world.)

2. 111 West 57th, 1,428 feet.

3. 432 Park Avenue, 1,396 feet.

4. 53 West 53rd, 1,050 feet.

5. One57, 1,004 feet.
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According to an insider, demolition should complete by summer of 2023.
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According to an insider, demolition should complete by summer of 2023.
Have you heard that Vornado is building on spec? It would make sense. They've owned the land for a long time, and they made over $1B on 220 CPS which is supposedly going toward the development of this tower.
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I would agree with that. Plus the proceeds of their 40 Fulton Street sale when that happens. There's a clear advantage to investing in this future district and area.
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I would agree with that. Plus the proceeds of their 40 Fulton Street sale when that happens. There's a clear advantage to investing in this future district and area.
I agree.
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Have you heard that Vornado is building on spec? It would make sense. They've owned the land for a long time, and they made over $1B on 220 CPS which is supposedly going toward the development of this tower.
The 220 CPS money is being spent on 1&2 Penn. But Vornado did say they are moving forward on this next, and the timing lines up that way.
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The 220 CPS money is being spent on 1&2 Penn. But Vornado did say they are moving forward on this next, and the timing lines up that way.
Thanks. I recalled that they were spending it somewhere around Penn. I assume then that Vornado won’t proceed on spec because I don’t see them getting financing without a massive equity investment.
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Why NYC companies are betting on big office space


By Lois Weiss
October 29, 2022


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Jumbo city tenants are looking far into the future and not the pandemic past by exploring options and committing to new spaces.

Inking deals at $200 per foot has become the old $100 per foot, while $300 per foot has been achieved at both One Vanderbilt and L+L Holding’s 425 Park Ave. which officially opens today.
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According to Mitti Liebersohn, chairman of New York brokerage Savills, 16 deals over 100,000 square feet were closed in Q3 compared to 11 deals in Q2. With 25 million square feet signed already, 2022 will surpass last year’s 26 million square feet of leases.

Recent large commitments to new buildings include KPMG and D. E. Shaw which leased 456,000 square feet and 283,421 square feet, respectively, both at Brookfield’s upcoming Two Manhattan West.

Franklin Templeton inked a deal for 347,000 square feet on the high floors of SL Green Realty Corp.’s upcoming reinvention of One Madison Ave. at a reported $145 per square foot in a project that already snagged IBM for 328,000 square feet and Chelsea Piers Fitness for 56,000 square feet.
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”About five years out there are several million-foot tenants that need to start talking about it now, and if the whole flight to quality theme continues, there won’t be a lot out there,” said Ted Koltis, EVP of Moinian Group.

To wit, on the east side of Grand Central Terminal, TF Cornerstone is planning a jumbo 2 million-square-foot tower at 175 Park Ave. with offices and a Hyatt brand hotel. Brokers say Blackstone is contemplating 1 million square feet of its glass and steel space.
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Vornado’s buildings by Penn Station have been snagging tenants with 300,000 square feet leased at Penn 1 alone. Blue Cross Blue Shield has recently moved into its new 70,000 square feet of offices designed by Gensler.

Bloomberg has leases rolling in 2029 at its namesake tower at 731 Lexington Ave. and you can bet that owner, Steve Roth’s Vornado Realty Trust, is courting them for the replacement tower at the Hotel Pennsylvania, Penn 15.

Apple is also seeking 1 million square feet and as Vornado’s ever-growing tenant at Penn 11, is another candidate for Penn 15.
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The lawyers of Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer US will expand to 179,724 square feet at Silverstein Properties’ 3 World Trade Center and is one of several deals done at the WTC buildings.
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