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[Tom Servo]

Park Tower 2.0? Nah, that Elysian pile of shit is that. This is more like Park Tower part deux, the 2016 version of something that was out-dated over a decade ago...

[LouisVanDerWright]

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Park Tower 2.0? Nah, that Elysian pile of shit is that. This is more like Park Tower part deux, the 2016 version of something that was out-dated over a decade ago...

Parte Deuxe

[Tom Servo]

Parté deuce

... deuce as in shit

[Kumdogmillionaire]

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Parté deuce

... deuce as in shit

If the development of this city was made up to people like you we'd have about 7 skyscrapers because everything else is too ugly for you. You are this forums negative nancy, and it's just obnoxious to read negative comment after negative comment.

[BuildThemTaller]

Originally Posted by Kumdogmillionaire

If the development of this city was made up to people like you we'd have about 7 skyscrapers because everything else is too ugly for you. You are this forums negative nancy, and it's just obnoxious to read negative comment after negative comment.

I've turned my opinion around on Tom to a certain degree. He is direct with his opinion and stirs up a vigorous debate on this forum. I don't approve of his language or rampant use of emojis. On the other hand, this forum is made up of responses to Tom's poorly articulated critiques as much or more than his posts. Best not to just say "Tom sucks."

[go go white sox]

It's just a matter of taste he may just like newer style with glass I like older style with lots of details but to automatically dismiss this protect as a POS without even the foundation in place is premature. I honestly think it's going to come out nice. All this hate just because it's precast is silly. Precast is effective, cost efficient, durable, and if executed correctly, can look very nice imo. This project changes things up a bit in streetville and I welcome it.

[the urban politician]

Originally Posted by BuildThemTaller

I've turned my opinion around on Tom to a certain degree. He is direct with his opinion and stirs up a vigorous debate on this forum. I don't approve of his language or rampant use of emojis. On the other hand, this forum is made up of responses to Tom's poorly articulated critiques as much or more than his posts. Best not to just say "Tom sucks."

So constant self-contradiction and trolling are considered 'direct' and 'stirring vigorous debates'?

Wow, I guess it's pretty damn easy to impress forumers around here.

[prelude91]

Originally Posted by go go white sox

It's just a matter of taste he may just like newer style with glass I like older style with lots of details but to automatically dismiss this protect as a POS without even the foundation in place is premature. I honestly think it's going to come out nice. All this hate just because it's precast is silly. Precast is effective, cost efficient, durable, and if executed correctly, can look very nice imo. This project changes things up a bit in streetville and I welcome it.

Serious question: can you provide an example of a very nice looking precast building in Chicago; I can't think of any.

[VKChaz]

Originally Posted by go go white sox

... I like older style with lots of details ...

Though we don't actually see anything like a "reproduction" of the fine detailing and granularity of the past.

[Tom Servo]

Originally Posted by go go white sox

It's just a matter of taste he may just like newer style with glass I like older style with lots of details but to automatically dismiss this protect as a POS without even the foundation in place is premature. I honestly think it's going to come out nice. All this hate just because it's precast is silly. Precast is effective, cost efficient, durable, and if executed correctly, can look very nice imo. This project changes things up a bit in streetville and I welcome it.

No, this project isn't being dismissed simply "because it's precast", it's being dismissed because it's poorly designed trash and a taller version of the absolute cancer that is that god-awful Ritz Carlton building on Michigan.


chicagoagentmagazine.com

I get nauseated every time I drive past this TURD. And hey look that Park Hyatt shit stack is captured in the same picture. Priceless!

[go go white sox]

[QUOTE=prelude91;7340404]Serious question: can you provide an example of a very nice looking precast building in Chicago; I can't think of any.[

I can't think of any but that's because there are not many skyscrapers in Chicago that use it again that I can think of but then again I don't really claim to know our buildings that well perhaps someone can interject

[go go white sox]

Originally Posted by VKChaz

Though we don't actually see anything like a "reproduction" of the fine detailing and granularity of the past.

I was just stating my preference in general this project your right def not an example although the last batch of renders I actually really liked

[go go white sox]

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

No, this project isn't being dismissed simply "because it's precast", it's being dismissed because it's poorly designed trash and a taller version of the absolute cancer that is that god-awful Ritz Carlton building on Michigan.


chicagoagentmagazine.com

I get nauseated every time I drive past this TURD. And hey look that Park Hyatt shit stack is captured in the same picture. Priceless!

My point is your prematurely dismissing it without it actually being build. Not saying your wrong but at least wait to see the final product to give final judgement. IMO sometimes the final product comes out much better then the renders and sometimes it's worse we will see. One thing I noticed on the article it states completion for 2017 I don't think that's realistic is it? For a 67 story building maybe they meant 2018

[Mr Downtown]

Originally Posted by prelude91

Serious question: can you provide an example of a very nice looking precast building in Chicago

Franklin Center

NBC Tower

[patriotizzy]

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

No, this project isn't being dismissed simply "because it's precast", it's being dismissed because it's poorly designed trash and a taller version of the absolute cancer that is that god-awful Ritz Carlton building on Michigan.


chicagoagentmagazine.com

I get nauseated every time I drive past this TURD. And hey look that Park Hyatt shit stack is captured in the same picture. Priceless!

Wut? That's probably the most attractive building in the picture. I like it. Precast doesn't equal bad all the time. I worry about buildings with that material, but it's not always a stack of shit.

[LouisVanDerWright]

Originally Posted by Mr Downtown

Franklin Center

NBC Tower

This has been brought up multiple times: NBC Tower is not faced with precast, the façade system is precast with limestone and granite veeneer.

[rlw777]

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

No, this project isn't being dismissed simply "because it's precast", it's being dismissed because it's poorly designed trash and a taller version of the absolute cancer that is that god-awful Ritz Carlton building on Michigan.

I get nauseated every time I drive past this TURD. And hey look that Park Hyatt shit stack is captured in the same picture. Priceless!

If you are responding to a design because it reminds you of something awful you have no better discernment than those folks who love the design because it reminds them of a classic.

Stern is not Lagrange. Lagrange is far less subtle and far more obnoxious in his references to various clashing nostalgic styles. I think Stern has done a good job on this one it doesn't have the mess of second empire meets beaux arts meets art deco or whatever. Everything is subtle enough here that I think it works alright. Execution is a different matter though. From what I have seen of his 30 park place tower I don't have high expectations for the precast

[Tom Servo]

Originally Posted by rlw777

If you are responding to a design because it reminds you of something awful you have no better discernment than those folks who love the design because it reminds them of a classic.

Stern is not Lagrange. Lagrange is far less subtle and far more obnoxious in his references to various clashing nostalgic styles. I think Stern has done a good job on this one it doesn't have the mess of second empire meets beaux arts meets art deco or whatever. Everything is subtle enough here that I think it works alright. Execution is a different matter though. From what I have seen of his 30 park place tower I don't have high expectations for the precast

Blah blah blah... A. M. Stern is a garbage architect with a garbage firm that does garbage work. There is absolutely no justifying this kind of antiquated approach to design in 20fucking16! This kind of detestably bourgeois, french provincial garbage may appeal to the über rich in places like Dallas or in Manhattan because those people tend to be notoriously tasteless, but it should have zero place in Chicago. And what makes it all that much worse, it's not even done with fine materials. I have no problem comparing Stern with Lagrange; both are enemies of modern design and only serve to perpetuate the insidious degeneration of architecture in this town, something that was once a vaunted point of pride... but nowadays, eh, not at all... because why should architecture matter anymore when you're building solely to house Joe-Blow-Schaumburg?

[Kumdogmillionaire]

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Blah blah blah... A. M. Stern is a garbage architect with a garbage firm that does garbage work. There is absolutely no justifying this kind of antiquated approach to design in 20fucking16! This kind of detestably bourgeois, french provincial garbage may appeal to the über rich in places like Dallas or in Manhattan because those people tend to be notoriously tasteless, but it should have zero place in Chicago. And what makes it all that much worse, it's not even done with fine materials. I have no problem comparing Stern with Lagrange; both are enemies of modern design and only serve to perpetuate the insidious degeneration of architecture in this town, something that was once a vaunted point of pride... but nowadays, eh, not at all... because why should architecture matter anymore when you're building solely to house Joe-Blow-Schaumburg?

Tell us how you really feel Tom.

Dude you need to take a chill pill. First of all, calling A.M. a bad architecture firm alone should get you banned from this forum, but on top of that you use your feelings over facts in almost every single post you make. Let the building get built before you judge it.

[rlw777]

Originally Posted by Tom Servo

Blah blah blah... A. M. Stern is a garbage architect with a garbage firm that does garbage work. There is absolutely no justifying this kind of antiquated approach to design in 20fucking16! This kind of detestably bourgeois, french provincial garbage may appeal to the über rich in places like Dallas or in Manhattan because those people tend to be notoriously tasteless, but it should have zero place in Chicago. And what makes it all that much worse, it's not even done with fine materials. I have no problem comparing Stern with Lagrange; both are enemies of modern design and only serve to perpetuate the insidious degeneration of architecture in this town, something that was once a vaunted point of pride... but nowadays, eh, not at all... because why should architecture matter anymore when you're building solely to house Joe-Blow-Schaumburg?

Aaaand... thank you for proving my point

Originally Posted by rlw777

If you are responding to a design because it reminds you of something awful you have no better discernment than those folks who love the design because it reminds them of a classic.