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Old Posted Jan 9, 2023, 4:32 PM
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Ok that's an impressive video with awesome narration, thanks Bill Kurtis, but who's paying for it?
It doesn't say how many addtional seats

And it better not be open to the air like that huge gap at the end of the video

Whats the point of a dome if its going to let all of the cold air in. Perhaps it was just an optical illusion

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Old Posted Jan 9, 2023, 4:39 PM
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It doesn't say how many addtional seats

And it better not be open to the air like that huge gap at the end of the video

Whats the point of a dome if its going to let all of the cold air in. Perhaps it was just an optical illusion
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Dunn’s plan includes a glassy north wall he said could be opened depending on the weather. Stadium capacity could be in the “high-60s,” he said, compared with the current 61,500 seats.
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Old Posted Jan 9, 2023, 4:56 PM
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Thanks, Well if it ever happens It would have to be able to expand to at least 70K seating.



https://www.wptv.com/sports/super-bo...er-bowl-cities

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In 2014, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune obtained a copy of the NFL's "Host City Bid Specifications and Requirements." The 153-page document included much of what was already known — that the game must be played in venues with seating capacities of at least 70,000 (or allow for temporary expanded seating to meet the threshold) and take place in regions where the average temperature over a 10-year period is 50 degrees or warmer (unless granted a waiver or held in a climate-controlled domed stadium) — but it also unveiled some curious head-scratching specificities.


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Old Posted Jan 30, 2023, 4:08 PM
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“I think it needs to happen by the end of this session. If not, you’re going to start to have other states make their cases on why the Chicago Bears should be the St. Louis Bears,” said Todd Maisch, president of the Illinois Chamber of Commerce. “That’s just the reality of the world. And people may not like it, but everybody wants the Chicago Bears to remain the Chicago Bears. It can get a little messy. But I think we’re going to reach a positive balance.”
And so the threats have begun. This playbook has been used by teams time and time again to trick state/municipal governments. It would absolutely suck to see the Chicago Bears leave Chicagoland, but I will be very, very pissed if the state becomes another stadium grift victim. We all know better by now.

Chicago wouldn't be without a team for long, I imagine. Too big a market for the NFL to just punt that revenue. I think it's been mentioned in this thread before, but the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars has strong midwest/IL ties. His daughter is actually part of a group developing a couple of high-rises in Fulton Market. He's shown a willingness to swing big for his franchise.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2023, 4:33 PM
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Ahh yes the Illinois Chamber of Commerce... the biggest boosters for our backward right-wing flanking neighbor states...
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It’s just opinions from politicians. Chicago is the 6th most valuable NFL market. A move would be denied by the league. No one wants to lose money

But I wouldn’t be surprised if the process eroded into some exhausting temper tantrum if the government money doesn’t show up. The Bears currently have a sweet position. A facility they pay very little money to play, an administration that’s willing to correct design mistakes to extend the lifespan of their own municipal structure and to augment the area with more shopping, residential, transit improvements and potentially a sportsbook.

I just don’t understand the allure of full control of a stadium in the suburbs. Like getting a B list of concerts and RV shows during the off-season. Would those profits outweigh all the liabilities?

So-Fi stadium is the high water mark that teams wish they could achieve, but no one ever will.
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Let the fuckers go to St. Louis, or the goddamn dark side of the moon for all I care.

NO ILLINOIS OR COOK COUNTY PUBLIC MONEY HANDOUTS TO THE NFL!


if the people of arlington heights want to foot the bears' bills, that their prerogative, I guess.
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Possible solution for everyone: We let the Bears move to St. Louis, BUT we also annex St. Louis into Illinois. Bears stay in-state, no handouts are given if they repurpose The Dome, and we free St. Louis from the shackles of Missouri
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And so the threats have begun. This playbook has been used by teams time and time again to trick state/municipal governments. It would absolutely suck to see the Chicago Bears leave Chicagoland, but I will be very, very pissed if the state becomes another stadium grift victim. We all know better by now.

Chicago wouldn't be without a team for long, I imagine. Too big a market for the NFL to just punt that revenue. I think it's been mentioned in this thread before, but the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars has strong midwest/IL ties. His daughter is actually part of a group developing a couple of high-rises in Fulton Market. He's shown a willingness to swing big for his franchise.
What does the Illinois Chamber of Commerce do? Have they ever brought in one new business to Illinois or Chicago? I know they like to blame Chicago politics, crime on any failures, they like to blame unions and taxes for failures, but I dont recall ever reading about this body being at the bleeding edge of anything productive. Its just a lobbying group to air the grievances of C-levels wanting govt handouts to enrich their private enterprises. A welfare office if you will.

Were in a new era now. The blinders are off on wealth hoarding of the 1%.
NO PUBLIC WELFARE FOR THE McCASKEY FAMILY.

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Lol there is literally a 0% chance the Bears go to St. Louis. Or any other team for that matter. Read up on it. The NFL got sued by the city and county of St. Louis over the Rams departure and just coughed up nearly $800M not long ago. There's very little public support down there for a team right now anyway.

https://www.nfl.com/news/790m-settle...ouis-departure

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id...money-st-louis
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Edit. Grumpy opinion retracted

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the main point of the article is this:

creation of a new class of tax incentive that would allow the Bears to pay to Arlington Heights a negotiated sum for the property taxes on the 326-acre site of the old Arlington International Racecourse

the Governor aint gonna let this happen if for no other reason than he just tried to raise taxes on every resident in the state and now he would be giving fellow billionaires a tax cut.

if this is a prereq for the Bears to move out of Chicago, then a move aint gonna happen

but hey, you have to give them credit for trying! I'd love to pay a "negotiated sum" for my property taxes too
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Old Posted Feb 1, 2023, 8:13 PM
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This is sad. Soldier Field is really beautiful.
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This is sad. Soldier Field is really beautiful.
You talk as if Soldier Field is being torn down LOL That's not happening - the Bears aren't the only use for that stadium.
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This is sad. Soldier Field is really beautiful.
The current Solider Field? Surely, you jest.
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I think the fact that it's just "Soldier Field" is underappreciated. It's not Progressive Insurance Field brought to you by InBev and Bass Pro Shops.
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Indeed.

The pandora's box that was naming rights has degraded the entire sports culture in my opinion. And yes I recognize Wrigley is going to used as a whatabout but get real that's not the same thing at all. The vulgarity of corporate stadium naming is breathtaking. So what if "but the vast majority of people don't care what the stadium is called"... is that the metric for good or bad? Lord help us if it is.
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Indeed.

The pandora's box that was naming rights has degraded the entire sports culture in my opinion. And yes I recognize Wrigley is going to used as a whatabout but get real that's not the same thing at all. The vulgarity of corporate stadium naming is breathtaking. So what if "but the vast majority of people don't care what the stadium is called"... is that the metric for good or bad? Lord help us if it is.
My greater concern is less about the name of the thing than the location, design, and occupants. In most cities, they can call it whatever they want so long as it's well integrated into the urban core, accessible by public transportation, and designed well. At least, that's the battle I would pick.
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^ I was really talking about Soldier... I was just going off on a rant about the modern era of sports corporatization/monetization we've been living through.
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