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Old Posted May 18, 2010, 8:39 PM
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Well its not entirely in the West half of the neighborhood but there is a crescent of city blocks that begins in the Howard mess and stretches down Ashland for a while and then heads over to Indian Boundary Park. Its not so much that this area is run down or lacking in greenspace, but that its gang-ridden and high crime. Rogers Park is pretty to look at but has some major festering cesspools of crime especially to the North and West. I would never go in Potowatamie Park or Indian Boundary Park after dark, thats just asking to get mugged.
That is garbage. Yes there are some area in the above that are a little tough....Damen corridor south of Howard for one......but Indian Boundary.....please.

Lunt is one of the nicer streets on the far north side; the condos on Greenleaf are well kept as are the one on Estes; Some of the buidlings on Fitch are nice; some could use some help.

It is not gang ridden or high crime; I walk in these areas on a daily on nightly basis as does my wife and neighbors we do not have problems.

A characterization as an armpit is a gross exaggeration; and smears an entire area that is overwhelmingly fine for a few trouble spots....
your characterization is nowhere near accurate
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Old Posted May 18, 2010, 9:22 PM
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Well its not entirely in the West half of the neighborhood but there is a crescent of city blocks that begins in the Howard mess and stretches down Ashland for a while and then heads over to Indian Boundary Park. Its not so much that this area is run down or lacking in greenspace, but that its gang-ridden and high crime. Rogers Park is pretty to look at but has some major festering cesspools of crime especially to the North and West. I would never go in Potowatamie Park or Indian Boundary Park after dark, thats just asking to get mugged.
This sounds like something one would hear from a person in downstate Illinois as part of a long rant about that crowded, dirty, crime ridden "big city" up north. It smacks of provincialism and it's not rooted in any statistics based reality (see http://chicago.straightdope.com/sdc20090521.php).

Is there crime in Rogers Park? Yes. Is Rogers Park more crime ridden or "gang infested" than, say, West Town (which includes the yuppie-safe Wicker Park)? Not statistically.
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Old Posted May 18, 2010, 9:42 PM
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That is garbage. Yes there are some area in the above that are a little tough....Damen corridor south of Howard for one......but Indian Boundary.....please.

Lunt is one of the nicer streets on the far north side; the condos on Greenleaf are well kept as are the one on Estes; Some of the buidlings on Fitch are nice; some could use some help.

It is not gang ridden or high crime; I walk in these areas on a daily on nightly basis as does my wife and neighbors we do not have problems.

A characterization as an armpit is a gross exaggeration; and smears an entire area that is overwhelmingly fine for a few trouble spots....
your characterization is nowhere near accurate
"My characterization" was merely a response to someone else characterizing somewhere far nicer as an armpit. Compared to Wrigleyville, almost all of RoPo is an armpit. I thought I made it clear that I don't view Rogers Park as a whole as gang infested or crime ridden as much as it is a band of bad patches that start at Howard and swing West and South. Yes Lunt is a nice street, but you can walk two streets over and its gang territory.

Like I said this has nothing to do with the quality of the housing stock and everything to do with the gang activity in the area. For example Ashland in this area is one of the most notorious gang corridors in the city.

I misspoke about indian boundry, its waren park that I was thinking of being shady at night though there are some bad areas to the north of indian boundry.
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Old Posted May 18, 2010, 10:09 PM
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For example Ashland in this area [of Rogers Park] is one of the most notorious gang corridors in the city.
You're joking, right? Have you ever taken a drive through a large chunk of the south side?
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Old Posted May 19, 2010, 4:50 AM
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You're joking, right? Have you ever taken a drive through a large chunk of the south side?
Yes I have and anyone who has ever read a lick about street gangs would know that simple poverty or disrepair is not the main cause of gang violence. In fact, open, less dense, areas like the south side can be easier to control by gangs. Gang activity typically occurs where there are territorial boundaries. One of those boundaries happens to be Ashland in Rogers Park. If you've ever read about the gang wars of the early 1990's you would know that gang violence only spikes when there are territorial disputes. What really caused the violence of the summers 90 and 91 was the expansion and migration of several West Coast Gangs to Midwestern Cities like Chicago and St. Louis. This completely upset the balance of power and caused mini wars that killed a couple thousand over two summers.

The problem with this area of RP is that the Gangsta Disciples and P Stones have poorly defined borders due to the complex urban geography of Rogers Park. The GD and Stones do not get along and like to cause ruckus. They generally aren't very violent people and its amazing how nice they can be, especially if you know a few of them. They are just caught in a tit for tat of "Q got beat up by the stones last weekend, lets go wait for a stone to get on their own and jump him". I only know this because I researched this extensively for a paper for the Urban Studies program at Loyola's CURL. My best friend also grew up in RP and all his brothers friends are GD; I hang out with them on occasion and its amazing how normal such a stigmatized group of people really is.

You obviously haven't been paying much attention to the South Side lately anyhow because if you were you'd know that gang violence has been gradually dissipating there and moving West. The worst gang activity is now primarily on the Southwest and West Sides. Gang activity in the south now pales in comparison to the West with the exception of Englewood. Rogers Park may not have the illustrious reputation of the South Side, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have major gang related activity. The demolition of Cabrini Green and RTH certainly hasn't helped in any way as many of the former residents have been relocated to Rogers Park and Edgewater. In fact believe it or not Thorndale is actually another one of the major gang epicenters of the city as well. The gang(its really only GD there because they all moved from the projects to the same area) just happens to be peaceful because they have no competition. Gangs aren't by nature violent. They are profit oriented and become violent when they come under pressure from other forces like competing gangs and the police.
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Old Posted May 19, 2010, 12:20 PM
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Haha I know what you are saying, but this is very debatable. I think the honor of "armpit of the north side" belongs to Uptown or West Rogers Park...
Lol...well am sure the city has more than one armpit.

My only frustration with what is going in is they chopped the mid-rise. I see store fronts and windows along Addison and Clark. I am often catching the bus at Addison and Clark and that area sucks 24/7. It was the first corner in the Wrigley area to get a blue light camera. It had shootings a couple of years ago....suburban folks of course. Now if we could just get rid of that McDonalds...am sure some here love that parking lot and all the crap they sell there...and again more trash.

Just like kids...it isn't the kids I don't like its the bad parenting they get....don't hate the Cubs or Fans...just the poorly behaving ones.

P.S. Ugly...is the condition (coats and coats of paint and tacky brick at Wrigley). Lots of decay and crap in other parts of the city for those who love that sort of stuff....rent is cheaper there too. Go enjoy. P.P.S. Just moved to Rogers Park and have walked Pratt to Kedzie from Sheridan and Lunt and it was very beautiful and never felt any bad vibes. we are totally amazed at how wonderful this area is....We get the best of all worlds.
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Old Posted May 19, 2010, 3:25 PM
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Can we get back on topic please??? Thanks in advance. . .
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Old Posted May 19, 2010, 3:42 PM
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Taken the Wrigley discussion to the Wrigley thread.......

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Talk about an attendance boom at the museum campus, not to mention a big tourism boost ... Time for the Chicago-DC connection to rev up again ...


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...,7756351.story

Space shuttle could land on Northerly Island
Adler Planetarium asks NASA for one of three retiring orbiters
May 19, 2010

If Paul Knappenberger's plans unfold as he envisions, the Adler Planetarium's parking lot will sprout a shiny glass building to house an out-of-this-world exhibit.

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Knappenberger, president of Adler, confirmed this week that the planetarium is one of 21 American museums and institutions under consideration by NASA to receive one of three soon-to-be-retired shuttle orbiters, the world's first reusable manned spacecraft.

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^^^ Aren't there obvious concerns as to whether or not this can be put on the lakefront? I know its not technically in Grant Park proper, but still it seems like it could be a blight. Either that or we could get a really cool glassy futuristic design worthy of such an artifact.

Frankly I think Nasa will end up putting on in the central south (Houston probably), one in Chicago or the Midwest, and one on the West Coast in SF or LA or something. Then the Smithsonian gets to keep their prototype. I'm sure they'll shoot for an even geographic distribution so as many people can see them as possible.

The biggest competition Chicago has got is Dayton Air and Space Museum which has quite a formidable collection. I imagine that Daley will step in and subsidize it if he thinks it will be a big enough draw.
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^ How did the process go when the Shedd Oceanarium and Adler addition (as well as parking garages around Soldier Field etc.) were successfully built - were those long and drawn out? Also, does anybody know whether Charter One Pavilion get some sort of lessened scrutiny because it is temporary and/or not enclosed?
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Old Posted May 21, 2010, 8:13 AM
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And then there were 1 ?

News from the pair of remaining whites at Cabrini-Green:


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CHA issues eviction notices, cites safety at Cabrini-Green
Residents get 30 days to leave
May 20, 2010

Debbie Newell has lived at 1230 N. Larrabee for 23 years. The 49-year-old mother of six has seen the Cabrini-Green public housing development at its notorious worst in the '80s. ...

"We were shocked when they came to our door with 30-day notices," Newell said Wednesday, her worried children and grandchildren gathered in her living room.

The CHA on Tuesday issued eviction notices to 31 families still living in Newell's 134-unit building, saying its low 23 percent occupancy has bred crime that has become a safety issue. ...

"Because of the low occupancy and the increased safety concerns, we've decided to close it," said CHA spokeswoman Kellie O'Connell-Miller. The 31 families can move to other CHA properties or to private housing with vouchers, she said.

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It will probably stick around for awhile before it's demolished.


That means the one on Halsted and the red at Orleans and Oak are the only two big CG building still operational. I see no movement over by the old rowhouses as far as improvements go.
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^^^ Is that war torn Kosovo?
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^^^ Is that war torn Kosovo?
No, I think it's Minsk.
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Is it safe to drive around here? I know it sounds naive, but I've never really gone off arterials when going through certain neighborhoods. I guess the question is, there's no, like, infamous gang headquarters or anything in this area, I presume?


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...77,print.story

Chicago neighborhood makes historic district
May 21, 2010

A Chicago neighborhood has been named to the National Register of Historic Places.

The Illinois Historic Preservation Agency says Chicago's West Chatham Bungalow Historic District has made the list.

The National Park Service is recognizing the neighborhood that's bounded by Perry and Stewart avenues and 82nd and 79th streets.

The state says the district includes 260 brick bungalows. The neighborhood's bungalows were a favorite of working-class families and date back to between 1913 and 1930.
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^ I can't wait to see the finished product. What a unique design!

I love how U of C is pursuing high quality design like this; I just wish that they would do a better job in preservation as well..
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Is it safe to drive around here? I know it sounds naive, but I've never really gone off arterials when going through certain neighborhoods. I guess the question is, there's no, like, infamous gang headquarters or anything in this area, I presume?
at Cabrini? oh yeah, hell its safe to walk around there. theres really not that much left, just a couple of highrises, most the midrises, if not all, are demolished i believe, and just the rowhouses which are to remain. most of the rest of the area has been filled in with mixed income condos and development. i remember walking around halsted and division back in 2003 and 2004 at night and it was somewhat sketchy, if not scary, back then. much different from today.
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