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[Doctorboffin]

How likely is it that the NII will pass? I just can't see anyone supporting it.

[colemonkee]

^ That's how they'll win. Apathy on the other side. This is in March, and will take a consistent and persistent active effort to defeat.

[Steve8263]

Originally Posted by Doctorboffin

How likely is it that the NII will pass? I just can't see anyone supporting it.

City of LA elections are at the mercy of the few people that actually vote- UTLA members, Trade unions like construction, hotel workers (SEIU) etc, and the other public employee groups like DWP.

NII doesn't help any of the above. I have no idea why it would pass unless they get some of these people to support it via their campaign of misinformation and hysteria.

Expect a 10% turnout for the off season ballot they are putting this to the voters on and who knows, anything can happen.

**Edit**
I forgot to add one other regular voting block- the pro rent control crowd. I think they believe they stand to gain from it's passage. The irony is that long term it probably makes things worse as property prices will continue higher/ faster due to lack of any new supply being built. Rents for everyone not locked in to a rent control unit are going to soar.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

Everyone needs to get out and vote against this bs. The general public will read "stop mega developments" and think, yes this will reduce traffic and improve MY quality of life.

Thankfully, as pointed out above, trade unions, construction workers, real estate related fields, etc will all vote against this in theory, we just have to get them out to vote.

[blackcat23]

SoCal Flower Market plans to rebuild home as part of mixed-use complex

[Wally West]

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan

Everyone needs to get out and vote against this bs. The general public will read "stop mega developments" and think, yes this will reduce traffic and improve MY quality of life.

Thankfully, as pointed out above, trade unions, construction workers, real estate related fields, etc will all vote against this in theory, we just have to get them out to vote.

I'm confident everyone on this forum will vote against it. But we should really encourage our friends and families to vote against. It's a March election which means every vote really counts.

[King Kill 'em]

^yep been talking with family friends and relatives living in LA about the NII and to vote no.

[CaliNative]

Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan

Everyone needs to get out and vote against this bs. The general public will read "stop mega developments" and think, yes this will reduce traffic and improve MY quality of life.

Thankfully, as pointed out above, trade unions, construction workers, real estate related fields, etc will all vote against this in theory, we just have to get them out to vote.

"Stop Megadevelopments" NIMBYs--consequences if passed:

1. Higher rents

2. Higher unemployment, especially in construction

3. More homelessness

4. Local tax increases on residents--developers pay a LOT of taxes

This NIMBY "stop development" measure is HORRIBLE in all ways.

[Easy]

Originally Posted by Wally West

I'm confident everyone on this forum will vote against it. But we should really encourage our friends and families to vote against. It's a March election which means every vote really counts.

Good point. I will definitely be voting and definitely voting against. But mixed results talking to others. Some really feel LA is already too crowded and are against more housing. Others have been negatively impacted by infill that really can sometimes be pretty impactful. I'm very pro-growth but I've see some things that I was glad weren't next to me.

[SoCalKid]

If you include the double Onni towers and 1133 Hope, there are now 21 highrises under construction in DTLA

Wilshire Grand (1)
Metropolis (4)
Oceanwide Plaza (3)
820 Olive (1)
Mack Urban (1)
Circa (2)
8th & Olive (1)
888 Hope (1)
Apex II (1)
Spring Street towers (2)
Ten50 (1)
Onni double towers (2)
1133 Hope (1)

[Melo Blue]

And yet Related still can't seem to get the Grand Avenue project going.

[King Kill 'em]

^And Barry Shy is still saying 18 months until groundbreaking on all his developments.

[King Kill 'em]

Originally Posted by Easy

Good point. I will definitely be voting and definitely voting against. But mixed results talking to others. Some really feel LA is already too crowded and are against more housing. Others have been negatively impacted by infill that really can sometimes be pretty impactful. I'm very pro-growth but I've see some things that I was glad weren't next to me.

Anybody who says LA is overcrowded needs to get their head out of their ass.

[Wally West]

Originally Posted by King Kill 'em

Anybody who says LA is overcrowded needs to get their head out of their ass.

This is one of those moments where you have to take in the perspective of other people in order to make for a convincing argument.

People who say LA is overcrowded tend to be people who struggle to find parking for their apartment and/or are people who loathe traffic in their daily commute.

They're usually unaware to realize that these issues are faults of car culture and sprawl. You're more likely to convince folks that these issues related to "overcrowding" can be relieved through denser housing built near job centers instead of suggesting to take their heads out of their asses.

[bighomey3000]

Originally Posted by Melo Blue

And yet Related still can't seem to get the Grand Avenue project going.

Related and Grand Avenue is a joke. When can we have someone else develop the parcel?

[dktshb]

Originally Posted by Wally West

This is one of those moments where you have to take in the perspective of other people in order to make for a convincing argument.

People who say LA is overcrowded tend to be people who struggle to find parking for their apartment and/or are people who loathe traffic in their daily commute.

They're usually unaware to realize that these issues are faults of car culture and sprawl. You're more likely to convince folks that these issues related to "overcrowding" can be relieved through denser housing built near job centers instead of suggesting to take their heads out of their asses.

Yeah, some people just need to hear the other side of the coin and that is how combining residential with retail and building up will take cars off the road. People may find that they like their new denser neighborhood even better and actually get out of their cars and walk more.

On an equally important note most all of us who live here need to understand that what this proposal actually does is make our fate worse in the pocket book. Rents will continue to skyrocket and housing will never be an option

[bobcat]

The main reason housing is so expensive in LA is that it's just so absurdly underdeveloped. Not just homes but hotels as well, as homeowners are likely to rent out their places on AirBnb when they see hotels charging extortionate rates.

Consider: Construction booms in the Bay Area and NYC have caused rents to drop.

And yet Related still can't seem to get the Grand Avenue project going.

The GAP is becoming more irrelevant every day. I'd be shocked if it got off the ground in this building cycle.

[Doctorboffin]

http://urbanize.la/post/more-apartme...shion-district

Cool scale for the area, but four levels of parking for an eight story building?

[cesar90]

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[Doctorboffin]

^Great footage. LA really is a beauty, just wish it was half as sprawled.