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Old Posted Nov 23, 2022, 6:08 PM
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Well, Toronto had a Chinese population for longer than it had a South Asian one afaik. The Chinese initially settled in Chinatown (the Elizabeth one, then Spadina), but once the large waves of Chinese immigration began those settled pretty much straight away in Agincourt and the Pacific Mall area.

The Tamils afaik chose to make Malvern their community very quickly after beginning to arrive. I think the Sikhs might've started out in Rexdale first, but then spread into Malton very soon after, and then Brampton in the 90s-00s.

Jamaicans seem to have been more likely to live in public housing, so they wound up being a bit more scattered, just like the public housing itself is scattered across Scarborough, Rexdale, Jane-Finch, Regent Park, Lawrence Heights, etc. The ones living in single family homes also wound up fairly scattered, from Pickering/Ajax, to Brampton, Malton, Rexdale, Malvern, even places like Erin Mills and Meadowvale. Eglinton West nonetheless managed to become somewhat of a locus of the Afro-Caribbean community though.
IIRC, the earliest large waves of South Asian immigration to Toronto occurred in the 60s/70s. Many of these immigrants were coming from outside of South Asia itself—either from Africa, the Caribbean or Fiji. Notably, this included a fairly sizeable influx following the 1972 expulsion of Asians from Uganda. This group was disproportionately Ismai'ili owing in part to Trudeau Sr.'s friendship with the then-Aga Khan. Many of these refugees settled in and around Don Mills, near to where the Aga Khan Museum and Ismai'ili Community Centre have since been built.
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2022, 7:04 PM
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Yeah it seems like the late 1960s/1970s is when the first South Asian communities emerged in Toronto.

I've certainly met Chinese Canadians over 60 who were born in Canada. I don't think I've ever met a South Asian over 60 who was. There's perhaps a handful of Sikhs in BC who meet the description.
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2022, 10:44 PM
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So in the 1981 census, the ethnic origin categories were looking like Italian, Polish, Jewish, British, French, German, Ukrainian, Chinese and "other.".. not a whole lot of info on non-white groups.

But for 1986 census (Metropolitan Toronto) we have

4.87% Chinese
3.35% South Asian
3.29% Black
0.19% Aboriginal

Still no info on West Asians, SE Asian, Filipino, Latin American, etc though other than what can be gathered from knowledge of the various languages (0.36% Tagalog, 0.32% Vietnamese, 0.17% Arabic. 0.79% Spanish).

A good number of people (6.27%) were born in the Americas outside Canada and the United States, which I guess means Latin America + Caribbean.

1.21% born in Africa, 8.58% in Asia, 5.57% in the UK, 17.52% elsewhere in Europe.
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2022, 11:06 PM
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Toronto was about 95% white in 1971, 87% white in 1981, 73% white in 1991 and 60% white in 2001 (Table 1.1).

http://www.isr.yorku.ca/download/Orn..._1971-2001.pdf

Chinese population

1971 25,730
1981 89,260
1991 231,840
2001 391,405

South Asian population

1971 5,650
1981 71,490
1991 212,420
2001 484,480
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2022, 11:07 PM
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It's interesting that in spite of Chinese being an "older" group I think their share that's foreign born is a bit higher than South Asians. South Asians have larger families so faster growth among the second generation.
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2022, 1:37 AM
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Toronto was about 95% white in 1971, 87% white in 1981, 73% white in 1991 and 60% white in 2001 (Table 1.1).

http://www.isr.yorku.ca/download/Orn..._1971-2001.pdf

Chinese population

1971 25,730
1981 89,260
1991 231,840
2001 391,405

South Asian population

1971 5,650
1981 71,490
1991 212,420
2001 484,480
Thanks, so the South Asian population was pretty tiny compared to Chinese in 1971, but by 1981 they were fairly even.
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2023, 11:45 AM
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2021 ancestry map for Canada:

https://i.redd.it/b8mcvvjxljw91.png
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2023, 8:04 PM
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Very interesting to me that Prairie metros are more diverse than Ottawa.
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2021 ancestry map for Canada:

https://i.redd.it/b8mcvvjxljw91.png
You can see Scottish Nova Scotia, Ukrainian Manitoba and German Saskatchewan on the map. And nice to First Nations specified (Cree, Dene, Ojibway, Tlicho and Heiltsuk), rather than just generic "First Nations."

But it seems also criminal not have to Irish on the map in Newfoundland (because English just slightly outnumbers Irish in St. John's).

Unlike in the US, there are no plurality Italian, Dutch or Scandinavian census divisions (counties).
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On that Canada map, should I read "Canadian" as "Francophone"? It seems to follow the rough contours of Francophone Canada, I think?

And are Francophone Canadians primarily of French descent, at least per Census definitions? If so, why are those Ontario Francophone geographies "French" as opposed to the Quebec "Canadian"?
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Ah, Canadien, not Canadian. I misread. Makes sense, thanks.
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On that Canada map, should I read "Canadian" as "Francophone"? It seems to follow the rough contours of Francophone Canada, I think?

And are Francophone Canadians primarily of French descent, at least per Census definitions? If so, why are those Ontario Francophone geographies "French" as opposed to the Quebec "Canadian"?
In most of Quebec, almost everyone is of "Canadien" stock.

In Ontario, "French" is an ancestry to distinguish from "English" and so on. There's a sizeable francophone minority in Ontario, particularly in eastern and northeastern Ontario but also around Windsor.
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2023, 11:03 PM
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Most Canadians of British descent know their roots, as most of their ancestors came in the 19th or early 20th centuries, rather than colonial times. Though of course there are people of Loyalist and colonial American stock in the Maritimes, the Eastern Townships of Quebec and southern Ontario.

So there aren't a lot of "my family's been here so long I don't know" types in Canada, like they are in the US South (though these people are mostly of British descent). Plus Canada was a British Dominion.

In English Canada, I think "Canadian" responses are most common in Newfoundland - which didn't join the Canadian federation until 1949.

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Old Posted Jan 7, 2023, 4:51 AM
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It would probably be smarter for Montreal to gain immigrants from not just Francophone nations such as Haiti, Cote D'Ivoire, and Algeria, but also even get immigrants from Vietnam, Cambodia, Philippines and Laos if it wants to increase it's Asian population, as well as get immigrants from the Spanish Caribbean (Cuba, Dominican Republic, & Puerto Rico) since Spanish and French are practically Latin languages.

The Latinos in Montreal can practically follow the same path as the city's Italians since many Italians in Montreal are practically trilingual.

Also, I'd love to diversify Montreal's black population with Black Nova Scotians, Black Americans, and Caribbeans from Trinidad, Jamaica, Barbados, Panama, and even from Ghana and Cape Verde. French can be learned, understood, and spoken for those that want to learn, as I don't believe that Anglo crap that French can't be spoken.
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2023, 7:17 AM
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Top 10 ethnic origins, Canada (2021)

Canadian (Canadien) 5,677,205 15.6%
English 5,322,830 14.7%
Irish 4,413,120 12.1%
Scottish 4,392,200 12.1%
French 3,985,945 11%
German 2,955,655 8.1%
Chinese 1,713,870 4.7%
Italian 1,546,390 4.3%
Indian 1,347,715 3.7%
Ukrainian 1,258,635 3.5%
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Amazing that Canada is still only 3-4% Indian. Metropolitan Canada seems like 20% Indian these days. Pop culture Canada (CBC commercials and the like) seem about the same. I occasionally watch The National for a different perspective and it seems the Canadian bank, retailer and govt. commercials have a heavy dose of South Asian families. The anchors for national and Toronto-area news are often South Asian.

Indians probably seem more visible bc, like Chinese, they're highly concentrated in the largest and most prominent Anglosphere metros.
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2023, 6:53 PM
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South Asians are the largest visible minority but not all are Indian. There are significant Pakistani and Sri Lankan Tamil populations. Many Sikhs have a complex relationship with Indian identity and write "Punjabi" as their ethnic origin.
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Visible Minority

Total VM population 9,639,205 26.5%

South Asian 2,571,400 7.1%
Chinese 1,715,770 4.7%
Black 1,547,870 4.3%
Filipino 957,355 2.6%
Arab 694,015 1.9%
Latin American 580,235 1.6%
Southeast Asian 390,340 1.1%
West Asian 360,495 1%
Korean 218,140 0.6%
Japanese 98,890 0.3%
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2023, 7:07 PM
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Is West Asian presumably Persian, mostly? Toronto has a very visible Persian population in North York, along Yonge. My sister-in-law is a Persian Canadian hailing from the Quebec side of Ottawa area.

Canada has a pretty large Persian population relative to the U.S., where Muslim Persians aren't very common due to the post-revolution immigration shutdown. Jewish Persians are somewhat common in suburban CA and on Long Island. Muslim Persians are pretty rare outside of CA and a bit in DC suburbs.
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