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An Empty Big-Box Store Is a Lesson In "Commercial Density"

An Empty Big-Box Store Is a Lesson In "Commercial Density"


June 8, 2021

By Addison Del Mastro

Read More: https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/...ercial-density

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The other week I visited a shopping center I usually only go to once a month or so: East Market at Fair Lakes. Right in the middle of Fairfax County in Virginia’s D.C. suburbs, it’s mostly a standard shopping center. One half of the complex consists of an apartment building across from a Whole Foods and a small block of stores, producing the impression, but not the function, of a street. The other half of the center, which precedes the Whole Foods/apartment section, consists of two attached, two-story big-box stores and the expected ocean of parking.

- It was this big-box section that caught my attention last week. One of the two stores, built as a Gaylan’s sporting goods store and converted in the mid-2000s to a Dick’s Sporting Goods after an acquisition, was empty. Dick’s had moved to Fair Oaks Mall, a middle-tier mall a little over a mile away that is itself the subject of a possible major redevelopment project. The absence of any cars in the parking lot, or people walking to or from the store, really highlighted what a massive building it is: It comes in at 101,000 total square feet, according to the shopping center’s owner. — The arched roof and the imposing stone (faux stone?) columns out front give the building a certain, slightly unusual grandeur, almost like an old urban train station. Which got me thinking. There was a time when a building of this size and scale would have been a much more commercially or civically dynamic space. These massive retail structures, with their big-box tenants increasingly buckling under the “retail apocalypse,” present a major challenge for municipalities. While not cheap, one possibility is to break them down into smaller spaces.

- Antique malls are one example of this. I wrote previously, for example, about a large one located in a former JCPenney, in a New Jersey mall on its last legs (now shuttered and set to be demolished.) This single store was home to nearly 150 individual antique stalls at the time I visited, and the facility had over 200 stalls in total. I wrote: “Here was the retail version of a road shoulder reclaimed with café tables, or a vacant asphalt parking lot hosting a pop-up festival. Here was commercial density. It is almost as if this white elephant of a department store has been upzoned.” — Of course, a stall in an antique mall is mostly a little bit of passive side income. (Passive in this case, anyway; the antiques were just there, labeled with the stall number, and a central cashier rang them up and took note of whose stall the sale came from. Basically, an in-person version of eBay.) Those 150 dealers were not making a livable income operating out of that building, though perhaps some of them were trial-running a possible full-time business, using the mall as a sort of small-business incubator.

- But still thinking about the empty sporting goods store’s “urban train station” resemblance, I also recalled two vaguely similar urban buildings: Philadelphia’s Reading Terminal Market, and Cleveland’s West Side Market. The Reading Terminal Market building weighs in at 78,000 square feet, 40,000 of which is the actual sales floor. It houses approximately 80 vendors. The West Side Market, only a 45,000 square foot structure, houses 100 vendors. An American Planning Association article describes shopping at the West Side Market as an “authentic and human experience,” and notes that the structure “acts as a visual landmark and a beacon drawing people not only to the market, but to the commercial district surrounding it.” — Unlike the antique vendors in that old department store, the vendors in these urban markets can make serious money. Some are holding down secondary locations or feeling out whether they’ve got a viable business, but many operate solely out of their market location. They’re less “vendors” than full businesses that have located in a market rather than a storefront. During one visit to the Reading Terminal Market, I saw an Italian meat vendor grinding and filling fresh sausage. This isn’t like bringing a cooler to a farmer’s market and going home when you sell out.

- Why does this all matter, and what does it have to do with an empty sporting goods store? It matters because there’s a meaningful difference between a large store that employs some general retail workers, and spaces which house lots of individual productive enterprises even if their profits are relatively small. There are few or no “employees” in these places, except security, building management, and janitorial staff. The business of the business is conducted almost entirely by lots of individual small business owners and entrepreneurs. — Strong Towns talks a lot about “value per acre,” a novel way to think about how productively land is used. This all illustrates the same idea, but on an even smaller basis. How productively is an individual building's interior being used? — It’s also a good example of why there’s actually nothing wrong with “big buildings,” per se. A very large building even in a city can be beautiful, lively, productive, fine-grained, human-scaled. And, rather ironically, this hulking shell in suburban Virginia makes uncommonly efficient use of space, with its second floor. So the problem with big-box stores isn’t that they’re “big,” or that they’re “boxes.” It’s that their business model lacks the characteristics that make places resilient.

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The empty building that used to be Dick’s Sporting Goods. Image via Addison Del Mastro.







Exterior of Cleveland’s West Side Market. Image via WikiCommons.







Interior of Cleveland’s West Side Market. Image via WikiCommons.


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I was going to read the rest of the article, but the first thing that happened was a pop-up. So screw them.

Generally it would be nice to turn a few big stores into "market" type centers. But urban locations seem way better for this than the average suburban big box.
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I guess recreation centres could be an alternative.
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Another problem with big box structures is that it's often cheaper for big box retailers to just build new ones than rehab existing structures or reuse previously developed land.

The auto-oriented big box retail model is at odds with dense commercial zones because access to cheap land is a key criteria. Marketplaces that materialized around transit hubs actually thrive off of expensive land, because density = more sales opportunity = expensive.

The suburban shopping mall recreated some of the dynamics of the transit retail hub, but a key flaw was the the ease of replication in areas where cheap land was available. So, malls replicate the dynamics of a transit retail hub in expensive areas, but malls replicate the dynamics of big box strip malls in inexpensive areas.
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Another problem with big box structures is that it's often cheaper for big box retailers to just build new ones than rehab existing structures or reuse previously developed land.

The auto-oriented big box retail model is at odds with dense commercial zones because access to cheap land is a key criteria. Marketplaces that materialized around transit hubs actually thrive off of expensive land, because density = more sales opportunity = expensive.

The suburban shopping mall recreated some of the dynamics of the transit retail hub, but a key flaw was the the ease of replication in areas where cheap land was available. So, malls replicate the dynamics of a transit retail hub in expensive areas, but malls replicate the dynamics of big box strip malls in inexpensive areas.
The most successful big box stores, like Costco and Walmart and even smaller national chains, like CVS seem to prefer to have their own location apart from other stores. Even if (or when) they are in a strip type or mall, they want to be at either end, not in the middle or on the second floor.
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Another problem with big box structures is that it's often cheaper for big box retailers to just build new ones than rehab existing structures or reuse previously developed land.
Usually the retailer doesn't own the real estate anyway so has no incentive for any major transformation.

From the original article: "One of the two stores, built as a Gaylan’s sporting goods store and converted in the mid-2000s to a Dick’s Sporting Goods after an acquisition, was empty. Dick’s had moved to Fair Oaks Mall, a middle-tier mall a little over a mile away that is itself the subject of a possible major redevelopment project."

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Maybe part of their success is know when to move.
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Another problem with big box structures is that it's often cheaper for big box retailers to just build new ones than rehab existing structures or reuse previously developed land.

The auto-oriented big box retail model is at odds with dense commercial zones because access to cheap land is a key criteria. Marketplaces that materialized around transit hubs actually thrive off of expensive land, because density = more sales opportunity = expensive.

The suburban shopping mall recreated some of the dynamics of the transit retail hub, but a key flaw was the the ease of replication in areas where cheap land was available. So, malls replicate the dynamics of a transit retail hub in expensive areas, but malls replicate the dynamics of big box strip malls in inexpensive areas.
Yeah, people criticize malls, but they are much more compact than power centres, and malls often became major transit hubs, unlike power centres. The mall is not as car-centric as many people think. The shift from malls to power centres has an big impact on walkability in the suburbs.

While power centres need more parking space so that people can drive from store to store, malls need department stores to draw people and generate foot traffic between the department stores. So the death of the department store is probably a bigger concern for malls than the availability of cheap land is (on the outskirts, or former industrial sites) for power centres. It's really the shift from department stores to big box retailers that had the biggest impact on the density and walkability of the suburbs.
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Yeah, people criticize malls, but they are much more compact than power centres, and malls often became major transit hubs, unlike power centres. The mall is not as car-centric as many people think. The shift from malls to power centres has an big impact on walkability in the suburbs.

While power centres need more parking space so that people can drive from store to store, malls need department stores to draw people and generate foot traffic between the department stores. So the death of the department store is probably a bigger concern for malls than the availability of cheap land is (on the outskirts, or former industrial sites) for power centres. It's really the shift from department stores to big box retailers that had the biggest impact on the density and walkability of the suburbs.
It would be interesting if, say, a Target or a Lowes were to take over an end-cap location of a mall's former department store. An end location could maintain a format similar to standalone stores, just with an added mall connection. I wonder if this format exists somewhere, as I have never seen it in places I've been.
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Yeah, people criticize malls, but they are much more compact than power centres, and malls often became major transit hubs, unlike power centres. The mall is not as car-centric as many people think. The shift from malls to power centres has an big impact on walkability in the suburbs.

While power centres need more parking space so that people can drive from store to store, malls need department stores to draw people and generate foot traffic between the department stores. So the death of the department store is probably a bigger concern for malls than the availability of cheap land is (on the outskirts, or former industrial sites) for power centres. It's really the shift from department stores to big box retailers that had the biggest impact on the density and walkability of the suburbs.
Neither are ideal - but you're right. This is the largest power center in Utah, located in suburban Salt Lake City:



It's horrendous.
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I guess recreation centres could be an alternative.
That building in particular has enough height for a rock-climbing gym.
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Neither are ideal - but you're right. This is the largest power center in Utah, located in suburban Salt Lake City:



It's horrendous.
What stands out to me is that most of the land area is devoted to parking. The shopping isn't even the main event, lol.
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^ It's like an inversion of the old suburban shopping mall model. They pulled all the stores to the edges and put the parking in the middle because it really is ALL about parking and driving.

Instead of driving to the mall, parking your car, and getting out and actually waking around the mall, now you can just hop from store to store with your car, parking it in front of every store you wish to shop at. No more laborious walking from store to store!

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I guess they won’t include an automated people mover in all that.
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^ It's like an inversion of the old suburban shopping mall model. They pulled all the stores to the edges and put the parking in the middle because it really is ALL about parking and driving.

Instead of driving to the mall, parking your car, and getting out and actually waking around the mall, now you can just hop from store to store with your car, parking it in front of every store you wish to shop at. No more laborious walking from store to store!

The great American laziness ladder always finds a lower rung to sink to.
A lot of suburban apartment complexes have your mailbox put up near the entrance as part of a large outdoor structure. You're explicitly supposed to get into your car and drive to your mailbox.
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Yeah, the postwar malls, while responsible for the decline of downtown main streets, were actually not completely horrible in terms of design. They encouraged walking/fitness, they were centralized, one-stop complexes that only required cars for entering and leaving, and they could be pretty easily rebuilt for higher density and more mixed uses, as we see today. Also, they functioned as main streets and community gathering centers, important in a country with few public venues for cross-class interactions.

In contrast, those big box hypercenters have no redeeming qualities. They just need to be bulldozed.
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It would be interesting if, say, a Target or a Lowes were to take over an end-cap location of a mall's former department store. An end location could maintain a format similar to standalone stores, just with an added mall connection. I wonder if this format exists somewhere, as I have never seen it in places I've been.
This has already happened in southern California, from at least the late 1990s/early two-thousand aughts. I've seen Targets put into former department store buildings of shopping malls, creating quite a number of multilevel Targets. Incidentally, I believe the first multilevel Target store in the US is in Pasadena, CA, created in the early 1990s from an old vacant stand-alone department store that dated from the late 1950s (a former Robinson's).
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Neither are ideal - but you're right. This is the largest power center in Utah, located in suburban Salt Lake City:



It's horrendous.
Fun fact: a single block in Manhattan generates more tax revenue than this disaster, and uses WAY less land and energy
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Power centers can be redeveloped pretty easily in chunks.

Turning a few stores and their parking lots into more intense uses (such as apartments) doesn't affect anyone else's parking or access.

With an enclosed mall with surface parking, even redeveloping a segment of the parking will affect the nearest stores. And redeveloping a section of the mall itself impacts shopper patterns in the mall.
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It would be interesting if, say, a Target or a Lowes were to take over an end-cap location of a mall's former department store. An end location could maintain a format similar to standalone stores, just with an added mall connection. I wonder if this format exists somewhere, as I have never seen it in places I've been.
Target took over an anchor spot at Christiana Mall here in Delaware. Christiana Mall is one of the few malls in the US that is successful, and it still regularly brings in people from out-of-state (and not just Pennsylvania and Maryland, either; it is normal to see people from Connecticut, New York, and Virginia there).

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It would be interesting if, say, a Target or a Lowes were to take over an end-cap location of a mall's former department store. An end location could maintain a format similar to standalone stores, just with an added mall connection. I wonder if this format exists somewhere, as I have never seen it in places I've been.
Target has a spot at the Metreon in SF. And IKEA is coming soon to 6X6.



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